John Uskglass
Venerable Relic of the Wastes
No ,your the twit. I said Walloons are a branch of Homo Sapien Gaulien.Jebus said:
Theo Van Gogh murdered
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Venerable Relic of the Wastes
Commissar Lauren said:
Vlaams Blok is dead Lauren... They have been found guitly of being racist and whatnot. They can no longer run for the next elections.
However, they'll probably just change names & start a new party with a different official agenda, but they'll keep there old ideas for later.
Stupid that those racist pigs can't loose their political rights over this for a couple of years...
I know they are dead. The point remains though, they were there, they were popular and they were in a position to gain power.
When they come back do you think their ferver will be even slightly reduced? By trying to silence them they've become pseudo martyrs to their cause. Do you think thats a good thing?
When they come back do you think their ferver will be even slightly reduced? By trying to silence them they've become pseudo martyrs to their cause. Do you think thats a good thing?
Plus, their popular support hasn't diminished, so the point of Vlaams Blok being an example of Flemish stupidity still stands. The fact that it was outlawed doesn't suddenly remove these thoughts from people's brains.
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Oh, and I'll add a bit more news: 38 people over the nation have been arrested for ties to the PKK, a Kurdish organisation on the UN's list of terrorist organisations and well known because of the ordeals around leader Ocalan's arrest a nd trial in the 90's. They had a training camp, apparently, in Liempde, which has now been closed down by the police, which is 20 fucking miles away from my home. *grumbles*
And now CDA (Christian Democrats, largest party at the past elections, but will probably lose a lot of votes with the next election) wants to outlaw them because of their terrorism.
EDIT:
Oh, and I'll add a bit more news: 38 people over the nation have been arrested for ties to the PKK, a Kurdish organisation on the UN's list of terrorist organisations and well known because of the ordeals around leader Ocalan's arrest a nd trial in the 90's. They had a training camp, apparently, in Liempde, which has now been closed down by the police, which is 20 fucking miles away from my home. *grumbles*
And now CDA (Christian Democrats, largest party at the past elections, but will probably lose a lot of votes with the next election) wants to outlaw them because of their terrorism.
welsh
Junkmaster
For those interested in this discussion and the relationship of Muslims in Europe- NPR had this series-
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4170940
Sander, you might find it interesting.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4170940
Sander, you might find it interesting.
To be honest welsh, I think this is probably being blown a little out of proportion. Saying that a few incidents (carried out by a few individuals) proves there is a climate of mistrust seems like something of an exaggeration to me. Yes, it can't have been good for muslim/non-muslim relations, but it's not like there is a religious war going on. Also, from what I've heard, most of the "retaliation" attacks were carried out by teenage boys, which makes it an even worse gauge for public opinion - teenage boys are far more likely to be hotheaded andd narrowminded. Not to mention easily led by one with stronger convictions.
That's like saying the Oldham Riots prove there is a climate of racism in England. (Well, there is one, to an extent, but not the extent implied).
Meh, just my (ill-informed) opinion.
Also, I started listening to the programme, but after a minute or two it just seemed like they were trying to (further) radicalise the situation. I guess that makes good radio.
Doesn't that seem like a biased report to you?
That's like saying the Oldham Riots prove there is a climate of racism in England. (Well, there is one, to an extent, but not the extent implied).
Meh, just my (ill-informed) opinion.
Also, I started listening to the programme, but after a minute or two it just seemed like they were trying to (further) radicalise the situation. I guess that makes good radio.
(Something like that, I may have got the wording slightly off.)NPR Broadcast said:
Doesn't that seem like a biased report to you?
I'm still in dubio about this. I see a lot of remarks along the way of "Islam sucks", but I haven't talked to many people thinking that, and I've talked to even fewer people with actually radical ideas about this. But that may be the spheres where I'm involved in.
A few facts stand out, though:
Wilders has outbid the VVD (the liberals) here, Wilders is the most extreme right-winger around with a very critical attitude of the Islam (he does say he isn't anti-Islam, but anti-extremism, though). The VVD is also critical of the Islam, but less so than Wilders, and has more than a century of history behind it, yet is falling short of Wilders. A lot, even.
The letters sent to Metro (free newspaper) give an indication that a lot of people seem to think that Islam has to go, can't be a part of Western society etc. Sounds that are critical of that view are diminishing.
There are more examples and events that have happened that have only worsened, not improved, the relationships between Islam and others. I think that Europe is becoming a battleground against Islam, the problem is whether that battle is justified. I think I'll have to read the Qu'Ran now. Hrmph.
EDIT: Interesting NPR article, but nothing new. *shrugs*