There is no "Al Qaeda"

Not the alliance that is so well organised, huge and posing a real threat to the western world in the sense that they want to impose Islam law or otherwise destroy it with nukes & chemicals, justifying the invasion & occupation of Afghanistan & Iraq, that they are making us believe constantly.
 
This doesn't surprise me. I have seen similar videos that have also proposed this. I firmly believe that much of the past 7 years "threats" have been exaggerated or completely fabricated.

After the past 7 years... I think its safe to say, what would anyone be thinking believing the current British or USA administration... The boy who cried wolf anyone?
 
Al Qaeda is an umbrella organisation. It's more that cells declare themselves to be a part of Al Qaeda. It doesn't have any central leadership.

Hell, that's the very reason it's pretty much impossible to beat.

Seriously...this is news?
 
Al Qaeda hasnt been anything more than independent autonomous cells since the invasion of Afghanistan and the basic destruction of the original Al Qaeda leadership...

But to say that they dont pose a credible threat, and that they dont want to impose Islam on the west is just ignorant. It's their stated mission to bring death to all infidels and impose islamic law.
 
Elissar said:
Al Qaeda hasnt been anything more than independent autonomous cells since the invasion of Afghanistan and the basic destruction of the original Al Qaeda leadership...

But to say that they dont pose a credible threat, and that they dont want to impose Islam on the west is just ignorant. It's their stated mission to bring death to all infidels and impose islamic law.
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Its my mission to help the process of extinction of the human race. But am I a threat?
 
Maphusio said:
This doesn't surprise me. I have seen similar videos that have also proposed this. I firmly believe that much of the past 7 years "threats" have been exaggerated or completely fabricated.

After the past 7 years... I think its safe to say, what would anyone be thinking believing the current British or USA administration... The boy who cried wolf anyone?
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In that case you might want know that Barack "Hope & Change" Obama's current top terrorism adviser is Richard Clarke and top Middle East adviser is Dennis Ross, who both have worked under Bush and Clinton. Richard Clarke is responsible for linking Al Qaeda & Bin Laden to Iraq and claimed that Hussein was making chemical weapons for Bin Laden, while there was no real evidence to support this. Dennis Ross oversaw US policy toward Israel & Palestine. He pushed the principle that the legal rights of the Palestinians, the rights recognized under international law, must be subordinated to the needs of the Israeli government. Another one of Obama's top advisers is Zbigniew Brzezinski, who gave an interview to the French press a number of years ago where he boasted about the fact that it was he who created the whole Afghan jihadi movement, which includes Osama bin Laden. He is also a key figure of the global elite and one of the founders of the "trilateral commission".
 
Brainwave said:
Another one of Obama's top advisors is Zbigniew Brzezinski
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Brzezinski

wikipedia said:
[Mark] Brzezinski is also an advisor to the presidential campaign of US Senator Barack Obama.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski
pediwikia said:
[Zbigniew] Brzezinski has endorsed the presidential campaign of Senator Barack Obama.
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Please tell me you are getting your info from a conspiracy theory site. Some dudes on a Russian Obama forum already linked me to one, it's hilarious how people never bother to check things and just believe them.

Also I fucking hate you for making me look up the bastard above.
 
I love me some conspiracy theory threads.

In other words: 'Really?'
Are we really tying Barack Obama to Al Qaeda and the jihad?
 
Sander said:
Are we really tying Barack Obama to Al Qaeda and the jihad?
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Osama, Obama, same difference.

Just like Al Qaeda and Iraq.
 
Sander said:
I love me some conspiracy theory threads.

In other words: 'Really?'
Are we really tying Barack Obama to Al Qaeda and the jihad?
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No, the only reason I posted that information is because I think every Obama supporter should be aware of it. I think the information I gave also lacks any conspiracy theories.
 
Brainwave said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/documents/the-war-over-the-wonks.html
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Zbigniew Brzezinski sounds like a bit of a goof-head, who says silly things, but I don't see the problem with him advising Obama.

Same goes for Clarke. The wonks says he's "sometimes advisor". That doesn't really mean anything, let alone mean that he dictates Obama's views on terrorism. As he obviously does not. You claimed both these guys are top advisers. Prove it.

In other words, sounds to me like you simply have a problem with Obama and are looking for things that make him look bad. Not exactly a flag-waving search for truth, is it? Advisers are just that, advisers. Unless one of them is Hitler, it's hardly a big deal.

Regardless, this thread is inching towards the vats.
 
The individuals I mentioned did have prominent roles working under Bush and Clinton, and Brzezinski under Carter. I agree that "top adviser" in the case of Obama is premature and a little exaggerated, but they are still his advisers.
I do not have a problem with Obama per se, I have a problem with most presidential candidates and so called democracy.
 
Brainwave said:
i have a problem with most presidential candidates and so called democracy.
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Oh, that's much better.

(is that electoral college = so called democracy or all democracy = "so called". I always mix up the different simplified notions)
 
Brainwave said:
The individuals I mentioned did have prominent roles working under Bush and Clinton, and Brzezinski under Carter. I agree that "top adviser" in the case of Obama is premature and a little exaggerated, but they are still his advisers.
I do not have a problem with Obama per se, I have a problem with most presidential candidates and so called democracy.
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You do realize that Brzezinski's basic idea was to promote and support the insurgent movement in Afghanistan against both the Afghan Marxist state and the Soviet forces that intervened?

That the Soviet invasion also led to a grain embargo as well as the rebuilding of the US military. Although few realize it, it was Carter that began the rebuilding of military. It was also Carter who created the Rapid Deployment Force to confront Soviet moves into the Persian Gulf .

Reagan later sustained these policies- converting the RDF into CENTCOM and allowing his CIA director William Casey a broader mandate, encouraging Saudi official and private aid to the Mujahadeen cause.

These policies were overwhelming supported by the American public.

So yes, Ziggy Brezinski was involved in getting the ball rolling.
And this is a bad thing? Can you tell me what should have been done instead.

Tell me- how was the defeat of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan a bad policy?

When that war ended the Soviets and the Americans essentially cut a deal that neither would involve itself directly in Afghanistan, thus allowing the local warlords to fight it out. These conflicts created a political vacuum that was filled by the Taliban, which later offered refuge to Osama.

As for Osama, yes he got involved in Afghanistan, in the 1980s, as part of that Saudi aid. And as long as he militated against the Soviets he was kosher for Americans.

So if you want to toss blame around, who deserves it?
 
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