Things you would be happy not to see again

[Wooz]

Because Real Men don't mind being cut in half by a minigun

 

[requiem_for_a_starfury]

Nah they have the sense not to stand in front of a miningun wielding supermutant in the first place.

 

[Vault 69er]

I also vote for Tribals. Not because they're primitives, but because they're stupid primitives.
Take Arroyo. Only nomads live in tents. Yet they've been living behind the same canyon for 80 years and still live in tents? Stupid! They all deserved to die.

 

[Nology5890]

I'm with all tribals being cut from Fallout. I never liked Arroyo, would have rather made all the tribals educate themselves, and set up a proper society. With houses. Maybe adobe houses, like the Navajo, or whichever Native Americans those were that built adobe houses.

 

[Lord 342]

Too true. And the whole "Temply of Trials" thing can go, too. It just broke the whole Arroyo scene... they had the wherewithall to impliment such a structure, they HAD it (if the found it or built it, who cares), but they were using it just for a ritual that happened, oh, only when the village is in a crisis, and they lived outside in tents. Maybe if they had the sense to live indoors the village wouldnt be in crisis so often and they would've stood a better chance when the Enclave came...

I won't miss the talking deathclaws, bugs, crashes, manti, tribals, getting shot in the back, useless AP ammo when it should rule the world, and everyone weilding the exact same gun even when they are unorganized.

 

[Sorrow]

I also vote for Tribals. Not because they're primitives, but because they're stupid primitives.
Take Arroyo. Only nomads live in tents. Yet they've been living behind the same canyon for 80 years and still live in tents? Stupid! They all deserved to die.

What would they build houses from?

 

[alec]

What would they build houses from?

Brahmin dung?

I wouldn't miss the talking Deathclaws, the talking plant, the intelligent Radscorpion and the wanamingos. They all sucked.

 

[Vault 69er]

What would they build houses from?

Whatever they built the Temple of Trials with?
And no I don't buy the "it was already there" thing. A Mayan temple in the middle of California with the Vault Dweller's face and a perfectly carved 13 on an altar? Mighty fine coincidence, that.

Seriously though, they have trees. They have a canyon they can quarry. Klamath's nearby, they could trade crops for various building parts. Shady Sands managed it. Junktown managed it. Both in differing ways but they built viable towns in the wasteland.

Besides which, others from Vault 13 followed the Vault Dweller to Arroyo, and not a single one of them thought to bring a prefab housing kit or any equipment from the Vault whatsoever? Yeah right.

 

[Sorrow]

What would they build houses from?

Whatever they built the Temple of Trials with?
And no I don't buy the "it was already there" thing. A Mayan temple in the middle of California with the Vault Dweller's face and a perfectly carved 13 on an altar? Mighty fine coincidence, that.

Killzig: Where the hell did the idea for the temple of trials come from ?

Tim Cain: Marketing demanded a start map that acted like a tutorial. DEMANDED. As in, you cannot say no. Blech.

Killzig: So basically if marketing hadn't demanded it, would you agree that it didn't really fit into the scope of the universe?

Tim Cain: I agree

Source

Seriously though, they have trees. They have a canyon they can quarry. Klamath's nearby, they could trade crops for various building parts. Shady Sands managed it. Junktown managed it. Both in differing ways but they built viable towns in the wasteland.

I don't know. To me it seemed that they wanted to be as close to nature and as far from technology as its possible. I think that they wouldn't be tribals anymore if they started building real houses.

Besides which, others from Vault 13 followed the Vault Dweller to Arroyo, and not a single one of them thought to bring a prefab housing kit or any equipment from the Vault whatsoever? Yeah right.

You mean the GECK ?

 

[Planeswalker]

- game BUGS

 

[Vault 69er]

Killzig: Where the hell did the idea for the temple of trials come from ?

Tim Cain: Marketing demanded a start map that acted like a tutorial. DEMANDED. As in, you cannot say no. Blech.

Killzig: So basically if marketing hadn't demanded it, would you agree that it didn't really fit into the scope of the universe?

Tim Cain: I agree

Source

If that is meant to mean that the ToT is excluded from canon.. hey.. I'm not gonna complain.

EDIT: Did any of these marketing cretins even play Fallout 1? .. what am I saying, of course they didn't.

I don't know. To me it seemed that they wanted to be as close to nature and as far from technology as its possible. I think that they wouldn't be tribals anymore if they started building real houses.

Yeah but as I've said, real life tribes lived in houses if they were not nomadic, the entire point of a tent is that it's mobile so that they can follow herds. If they're sitting in one spot for 80 years as an agrarian society, it's stupid that they'd still be in tents.
And the wasteland would've killed them anyway. And it contradicts the Vault Dweller's memoirs.

You mean the GECK ?

Well maybe. Why not. They took a holodisk player after all.
But I'm also assuming that Vaults came with some prefabricated dwellings and things to start out. I doubt the GECK built everything in Vault City and New Arroyo by itself.

 

[Sorrow]

EDIT: Did any of these marketing cretins even play Fallout 1? .. what am I saying, of course they didn't.

If I understand correctly, that's one of the reasons, why Tim Cain left the Interplay. I hate when the marketing scum
does things like that to games - they removed children from the european version and changed the ironic ending of Gizmo-Killian conflict to one that "rewards the good guys" .

And the wasteland would've killed them anyway. And it contradicts the Vault Dweller's memoirs.

You are right:

I taught the others the skills they would need to survive and grow strong. Hunting, farming and other skills to feed us. Engineering and science to build our homes. Fighting to protect what was ours.

Heh...
It's a good material for a mod .

You mean the GECK ?

Well maybe. Why not. They took a holodisk player after all.
But I'm also assuming that Vaults came with some prefabricated dwellings and things to start out. I doubt the GECK built everything in Vault City and New Arroyo by itself.

It didn't build them by itself, but made building them possible:

The following tools and equipment are believed to be in a GECK:

* Digital library full of many relevant texts
* Fertilizer
* Seeds
* Chemicals that could detoxify radiation-tainted soil and make it more ready for agriculture
* Force field schematics
* Chemicals which could aid in the production of primitive buildings out of sand (or rather, "sandcrete")
* Clothing (although some believe that this was simply an "unlock code" allowing Vault suit-creators to fabricate other forms of clothing beyond the yellow-striped blue jumpsuits)

Certain other items are also believed to be inside a GECK, but are apparently already present in the Vault itself. These include:

* A power plant capable of powering the new town
* A replicator for the production of food and other such necessities

source

You mean the GECK ?

Well maybe. Why not. They took a holodisk player after all.

The holodisk player is a standard part of VD's PIPBoy .

 

[radnan]

I wouldn't miss the talking Deathclaws, the talking plant, the intelligent Radscorpion and the wanamingos. They all sucked.

I wouldnt miss them either ...
I dont mind tribals tho and i especially liked the ideea of math-tribals from the Van Burren docs - the ones that after several generations didnt understand anymore how the technology worked but they knew the instances in which it would work

also i didnt like the clean clean look and high tech of the NCR and San Fran ... i found it normal in an enclaveish Vault CIty tho