gameart3d said:
Wow, you enjoyed the shiny. Go you. And if the Dark Brotherhood and thief quests are about the only high point in the game, then that doesn't speak much of the game as a whole, now does it?
I've been here for years and I know all the old arguments and, no, I don't expect Fo3 to capture any of what made Fallout the great game that it was. But, the idea that the "Fallout method" is the ONLY way to have fun in a game is clearly a fallacy.
You lying little shithead. You fucking straw man piece of shit.
That isn't the "idea" at all. It's the concept of a SERIES! This flame is warranted because you're trying to equate your opinion as fact and completely miss the point, while obviously failing to have seen the real reason. So much for knowing all the old arguments and having been here for years, which is probably just another lie.
Would you watch a Terminator movie if they horribly fucked the canon? I know what the DEE! DEE! DEE!s are thinking. "At least there are
exploshuns! In terms of the T3 movie and the Terminator games, Bethesda did a far worse job of the two.
It might come as a surprise, but I (and this typically goes for the rest of the PC audience) do like other genres of games if they are done right. Hell, I even had Birthright, Blood Omen, Civ II, Crusader 1&2, Daggerfall (1996), Descent II (1996), Diablo (1997), Duke Nukem 3d, Fallout (1997), HoMM, Mechwarrior 2, Might and Magic Xeen Series (1990-1995), SimCity 2000, Space Hulk, Quake (1996), Ultima VII, and Warcraft 1 & 2 installed at the same time on my computer around Dec of 97, and that's not the full list. Also note that Diablo came out a couple of months after Fallout, and Daggerfall and Arena before Fallout. No, the TES action gameplay is not "modern", it's just become what developers can spoon-feed to the console idiots by skullfucking the design concepts better developers designed long before, so it's simple for their ilk to comprehend.
I play a multitude of genres, each of which has titles I'll look towards to when I want to play in said genres.
But when I play Fallout, I expect a P&P CRPG as Fallout was designed.
If I wanted to play TES, I'll play TES.
So it's not unreasonable to expect a Fallout game with the same general style of gameplay if they're going to call it Fallout 3. Otherwise it would be a SPIN-OFF, at least technically, on PC and even on console it's been proven that people don't want a Fallout spin-off. Sequels infer the same kind of gameplay, not merely the same story or setting. Many of the aforementioned series DIED when their gameplay was not kept to, even when they were developed and published by big-name companies. This isn't TES: Vault Dweller, this is FALLOUT. Say it slowly if you must, child, but do whatever you require to put the clue together.
Fallout has been dead and buried for a long time.
Funny, then why does even IGN shit a brick when there's the least amount of Fallout news? Or news involving the possible development of a sequel? Fallout is not dead, but the concepts it stood for even back in 1997 apparently are dead to the mainstream and developers without a spine, who don't design but instead let marketing dictate their design based upon marketing figures and simple-to-understand game concepts. Copycatting doesn't always equal success, in fact it's almost always a recipe for failure. Others are still interested in developing in the CRPG genre (which TES is technically not, it's Action-Adventure), and they are doing fairly well for their resources, because the idiotic US mainstream has made it a lucrative niche market instead of looking to breathe new life into the genre like Fallout did in 1997. Hence the concept of Scratchware, and some of it shines.
That's why many of the old-school don't play CRPGs anymore, because most of the games now supposedly in the CRPG genre suck ass due to moronic apologists who excuse any and all stupidity of trend whores. In other words, YOU.
In time, if Bethesda fucks up Fallout that badly without any sense of solid P&P design (and instead use their crappy speech systems, etc.), another will come along and become a new champion of the CRPG genre, as Fallout was hailed. Bethesda, essentially, is tearing off VaultBoy's title belt to bend him over and perform a prison gangrape scene.
So much for treating the title with respect, and "as if we were developing the first two", as they have already claimed. If you were aware of all the old arguments, then you would certainly have been aware of what they have already claimed. Not like it's hard to find here, it's all in the news section and easily searchable.
No, it wouldn't make any list of my favorite games of all time. But, it would be near the top of a list of games that I've played in the last 3 or 4 years.
And how is that a good thing when you're too Oblivious to understand that TES is not a CRPG, and Fallout was designed to be one?
If someone comes along someday in the future and ressurrects it, complete with the ideas and concepts that made it great in the first place, that would be great.
"Great" instead of just "fun" for a few hours like Oblivion?
So you don't see a problem in Fallout 3 not standing anywhere close to the same level of quality as the first, or even the second? That is YOUR problem. As someone who is expected to buy this fraud,
id est a Fallout fan, I'm not that amused. Neither are any of the aforementioned old-school who have been repeatedly burnt by stupid marketing departments and the people mindless enough to moo along with them.
(Why are apologists so fucking
stupid?)
But, I've long since paid my final respects to the franchise.
Then goodbye and take your piss-poor trolling with you.
(If Fallout is supposedly dead, and Bethesda is raping its corpse, does that make Todd Howard a necrophiliac?)
I'm not, out of any kind of sense of outrage, going to refuse to enjoy what could potentially be a fun game in its own right.
Go play F
OS and try to say that again. Or FOT. Or what positively looks like the same kind of treatment in another name rape. Or go play Ultima 9, a "modernized" version of a CRPG that similarly lost everything that made it great. Or Might and Magic 9. Or any number of other dead series you will soon only find on abandonware sites.
Or go back to IGNorance and your beloved consoles and have another spoonful of Oblivious bliss. We don't care, but take your lying straw man arguments with you.
it makes the game tedious, and while the Shi and the car and the vertibirds all seem odd and thrown in, they aren't done in a way that isn't fun. The only thing that I really had a hard time with was the idea of "tribals". Probably bothered me more than it should have. I liked the fact that F2 moved a bit away from the retrofuture theme, but didn't gut it like Tactics did.
