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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3948165.stm

'Hobbit' joins human family tree

Scientists have discovered a new and tiny species of human that lived in Indonesia at the same time our own ancestors were colonising the world.

The new species - dubbed "the Hobbit" due to its small size - lived on Flores island until at least 12,000 years ago.

The fact that little people feature in the legends of modern Flores islanders suggests we might have to take tales of Bigfoot and the Yeti more seriously.

Details of the sensational find are described in the journal Nature.

The discovery has been hailed as one of the most significant of its type in decades.

Australian archaeologists made the discovery while digging at a site called Liang Bua, one of numerous limestone caves on Flores.

The remains of the partial skeleton were found at a depth of 5.9m. At first, the researchers thought it was the body of a child. But further investigation revealed otherwise.

Wear on the teeth and growth lines on the skull confirm it was an adult, features of the pelvis identify it as female and a leg bone confirms that it walked upright like we do.

"When we got the dates back from the skeleton and we found out how young it was, one anthropologist working with us said it must be wrong because it had so many archaic [primitive] traits," said co-discoverer Mike Morwood, associate professor of archaeology at the University of New England, Australia.

King of the swingers?

The 18,000-year-old specimen, known as Liang Bua 1 or LB1, has been assigned to a new species called Homo floresiensis. It was about one metre tall with long arms and a skull the size of a large grapefruit.

The researchers have since found remains belonging to six other individuals from the same species.

LB1 shared its island with a pony-sized dwarf elephant called Stegodon, a golden retriever-sized rat, giant tortoises and huge lizards - including Komodo dragons.

Chris Stringer, head of human origins at London's Natural History Museum said the long arms were an intriguing feature and might even suggest H. floresiensis spent much of its time in the trees.

"We don't know this. But if there were Komodo dragons about you might want to be up in the trees with your babies where it's safe. It's something for future research, but the fact they had long arms is at least suggestive," Professor Stringer told BBC News Online.

H. floresiensis probably evolved from another species called Homo erectus, whose remains have been discovered on the Indonesian island of Java.

Homo erectus, may have arrived on Flores about one million years ago, evolving its tiny physique in the isolation provided by the island.

What is surprising about this is that Homo erectus must have made it to Flores by boat. Yet building craft for travel on open water is traditionally thought to have been beyond the intellectual abilities of this member of the human family.

Legendary creatures

Even more intriguing is the fact that Flores' inhabitants have incredibly detailed legends about the existence of little people on the island they call Ebu Gogo.

The islanders describe Ebu Gogo as being about one metre tall, hairy and prone to "murmuring" to each other in some form of language. They were also able to repeat what islanders said to them in a parrot-like fashion.

"There have always been myths about small people - Ireland has its Leprechauns and Australia has the Yowies. I suppose there's some feeling that this is an oral history going back to the survival of these small people into recent times," said co-discoverer Peter Brown, an associate professor of archaeology at New England.

If so, the legends might relate real stories of interaction between modern humans and H. floresiensis on Flores. The last evidence of this human at Liang Bua dates to 12,000 years ago, when a volcanic eruption snuffed out much of Flores' unique wildlife.

Yet there are hints H. floresiensis could have lived on until much later on other parts of the island. The myths say Ebu Gogo were alive when Dutch explorers arrived a few hundred years ago and the very last legend featuring the mythical creatures dates to 100 years ago.

But Henry Gee, senior editor at Nature magazine, goes further. He speculates that species like H.floresiensis might still exist, somewhere in the unexplored tropical forest of Indonesia.

"The uniqueness of the human lineage is a substantial foundation of our religion, our ethics, even our science. This find challenges that substantially," said Dr Gee.

Textbook rewrite

Professor Stringer said the find "rewrites our knowledge of human evolution." He added: "To have [this species] present 12,000 years ago is frankly astonishing."

Homo floresiensis might have evolved its small size in response to the scarcity of resources on the island.

"When creatures get marooned on islands they evolve in new and unpredictable courses. Some species grow very big and some species grow very small," Dr Gee explained.

The presence of Stegodon remains - particularly the teeth of juveniles - in the same deposits as H. floresiensis suggests they may have hunted these dwarf elephants. Some smaller animal remains in Liang Bua cave are charred, perhaps by cooking.

Miniature stone tools - just the right size for the diminutive H. floresiensis to have made and used - have been found at the cave. Their sophistication has surprised some scientists given the human's small brain size of 380cc (around the same size as a chimpanzee).

"The whole idea that you need a particular brain size to do anything intelligent is completely blown away by this find," Dr Gee commented.

Because the remains are relatively recent and not fossilised, scientists are even hopeful they might yield DNA. Genetic information from this descendent of Homo erectus could provide an entirely new perspective on the evolution of the human lineage.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4127713
 
Read about this earlier tonight.

But your source is a hell of a lot more informative. Thanks!
 
The NPR one is coolest.

Damn, it's pretty cool to think that these little dudes could still very possibly be out there. I wonder if they'll be cheaper to higher then Meixcans. They could be our slaves!
 
Damned. I'm going to have to sit through hours, hours, and hours of lectures about this damn thing.
And, my course Pre-history is about to gain three chapters. Damned.
 
I'll go find the Nature article and see if I can post it, problem being that you all may need a subscription.

Cool find though, CCR.
 
I've heard a few people say that this really shouldn't be classified as a part of the Homo genus. Can anybody confirm/deny?
 
Whoa this is gonna blow the door open on lots of things! Most of all the fact that the locals had legends about these "little people" yet everyone believed they were myth. Who knows if the Yeti and other things are true too?

I cant believe they developed so small.

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The Vault Dweller
 
Ozrat said:
I've heard a few people say that this really shouldn't be classified as a part of the Homo genus. Can anybody confirm/deny?
They're brains have more in common with pre-Homo apes. They're behavoior has something more in common with our tree swining ancestors. But on Wikipedia they're in Homo, and until they're out of Homo in Wikipedia, I won't trust it.

That is easily the gayest thing I've ever written.
 
Excellent! Now they just need to find skeletons of dwarves and a couple of other races, and the circle will be complete. Of course, they will be hard-pressed to find elven skeletons, since they all sailed west to Valinor thousands of years ago. Remains of those who were killed during the first three ages of our world are likely gone, since elves are reborn in the Halls of Mandos when they perish.
 
Elves don't have bones or blood like we do, they're structured of something more like soil then blood and bone.

Noobie.
 
I for one would rather not get stranded in the jungle with a group of these that decide larger humans are good eatin'. Think about it, they're pretty damn smart, they have sharp sticks, there's lots of them, and they want your brains. This is why the shotgun was invented, of course.


They really don't look like hobbits. Not fat or furry enough. - Colt
 
A male Homo floresiensis may have looked something like this.

I always find these reconstructions totally hilarious. They're so arbitrary, aren't they?

Suppose that in the year 6598 someone digs up the skull of Michael Jackson? Will they then also publish totally irrelevant stuff like:

A male Homo Sapiens Sapiens may have looked something like this:

michael%20jackson.jpg


Think about it. :roll:

Thought of the day: archeological reconstructions are a scam and a big insult to a species as a whole.
 
Didn't you like that reconstruction they did of the Kennewick Man? I really hope I don't have to explain who he is, if you don't know, check out this summery.

kman-clay.jpg

It's Patrick Stewart!
 
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