USA UNDER ATTACK!!!

RE: a new perspective

well, i`ll post this taken from Vault13.net earlier, with no comments

"Listen - Posted by Elara the 11/09/2001 @ 20:07
I'd like everyone to stop for a moment.

I had two close friends who died today, one at the WTC and one at the Pentagon.

I , personally, don't give a flying fuck about countries or nationalities. Imaginary lines on a fucking map don't impress me. People died today, over ignorant shit that has no basis in reality.

People are dying all over the world, for nonsense causes, for insane reasons. They have families, mothers, friends, lovers.

My friend Matt, who died in the Pentagon, just turned 25. His wife was in the hospital with me when I had Dana, recovering from her own pregnancy. They had gotten married when he got the promotion to the Pentagon. Now her life is shattered. "

I can`t even start to comment this.Just can`t.
 
RE: Colorado??

>Are the reports of that plane
>being forced to land in
>Canada confirmed? I've heard there
>are other planes over Canada
>still in the air that
>they can't seem to reach
>by radio. True or not?

Yes i've seen the images on tv one was a chineese plane that wanted to land in Alaska because he said he was low on fuel, They refused and escorted him to WhitheHorse in Yukon the other one was a Koreean flight that was "escorted" to Vancouver.

The one in Mirabel was not on the news but my friend and family working at the airport confirmed it to me.

As for the planes they can't reach i dont know about those.

SEbastien Prevost
 
RE: And another

Again, no comments

"Continuing Coverage - 16:46 PST - Killian - Comment!

If you're still unclear on what's going on, the Guardian has a pretty comprehensive collection of everything that's been coming off the news wire relating to this story.

Keep up on the story here.

Dan Wood adds:
I lost a friend, an EMT, when one of the towers collapsed. Now don't start sending apology letters. I don't need the grief. He died, according to a mutual friend, quickly and while helping a victim out of danger.

And if you want to do something nice for everyone who lived, died or is in pain currently, check James Lileks' Bleat for something that reaffirms your faith in America and mankind"
 
RE: Damn....

>Some people don't have a clue
>about the difference between war
>and terrorism...

Hear hear.

I really hate how people are trying to draw parallels between this attack and the attack on Pearl Harbor. There *are* no parallels other than the fact that it was a sneak attack and many people died in both.

The attack on Pearl Harbor was a declaration of war. The WTC and Pentagon attacks were merely cowardly acts of terrorism. They're no different than suicide car bombs except on a larger scale.

People really like to misuse language and analogies.

-Xotor-

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What happened to the Pennsylvanian plane.

>I heard some rumors that a
>plane was shot down, but
>nothing solid.

According to MSNBC there was a phone call by a man aboard the plane that crashed in Pennsyvania to his wife where he told her that he and two or three others aboard the plane were going to try to overpower the hijackers since they knew they were going to die anyway.

I suspect that they were at least partially responsible for downing the plane before it reached the White House, the most likely the intended target since most analysists agree they were headed towards Washington D.C. instead of Camp David (the White House being a choice target).

Imagine if that plane actually hit the White House, and how devastating a blow to national moral and pride that would be. Those people aboard that flight that probably overwhelmed those hijackers were possibly responsible for saving the capitol of this country from destruction.

-Xotor-

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RE: Colorado??

>You're thinking of NORAD; it's in
>Colorado. No plane crashed there;
>they just went to a
>high security level. Very high.

I don't think anything less than a nuclear shape-charge could penetrate NORAD... NORAD is the real center of military command.

>BTW, would you believe there are
>low-down dirty f*ckholes who are
>trying to get to the crash site to get a
>piece of the wreckage as a keepsake?
>We live in a f*cked up place.

I saw an image of an eBay page someone put up "selling" the blown up WTC towers...
some people are really lame.

-Xotor-

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News Update on that Plane (READ THIS!):

I tuned into FOXnews just as they were beginning to interview a man who worked for the Government in tracking terrorists in the CIA before he retired. He tells that the Plane was most likely headed for Camp David because:

"...What most Americans don't know is that there is the "backup Pentagon" there. If the Pentagon is completely destroyed then we can still run the Military from there. If that Plane had hit the "backup Pentagon" we would have been completely paralized, military-wise..."

Can you imagine what would happen if that had occured? This guy isn't some hack who wrote a book. He was a real soldier-turned CIA who tracked terriorists for the Gov. before he retired.

No military support... that would have put us almost at bin Laden's mercy...

True Raven
http://www.annunakiguild.net
The Annunaki FanFic and Theory Guild
 
RE: Colorado??

[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Sep-12-01 AT 04:50PM (GMT)[p]Isn't it odd that the Mirabel thing wasn't on the news?

Xotor, you're right; NORAD would be a VERY tough nut to crack. As for the eBay thing, you would think that there would be some limitation to the level of greed, but then I think about the human condition. It'll almost make you weep.
 
RE: Colorado??

When I saw the news on my school and I saw the second plain go into WTC i felt like getting my 12 gauge and kill something.(wich I did when i got home) Then i see that there is some wankers that are having fun over this i get angry.
KIlROY could you kindly jump off a fifty-floor bulding.

As for the terorist I support the USA if they hunt down the terorist and torture them to death in public.
 
torture/execution is wrong..

i dont think torture or public execution is the right answer for this... whoever was a part of this should get life, alone in a cell, without any human contact, until the day they die..
 
RE: torture/execution is wrong..

I doubt whoever masterminded it is going to turn themselves in. They'll fight if we try to capture him. It's more likely he'll die in a hail of bullets. I sure hope so. It's probably better than he deserves.
 
A bit wrong:

Even if Camp David was destroyed, the military could still function quite well.

Those are obvious weaknesses, there are plenty of hidden/defended places of operation. NORAD could be used as a national base of operations, it has the capability, as does others.

Trust me, the damage-estimaters have played through this scenario quite a few times, and if the Pentagon and Camp David had been both wiped out, there is still a way. Though if why had been destroyed, it would show one or more of those locations.
 
I know but...

That fat bitch in the papers, the SEALs should go get her , bring her back and let the new-yoykers lynch her or lapidate her.


SEb
 
RE: A bit wrong:

I know only what I heard. This guy seemed credible but if you have friends and ties to the military you must be right. I just know that the thought of our nation with no military at all is about as scary as you can get...

True Raven
http://www.annunakiguild.net
The Annunaki FanFic and Theory Guild
 
a few things....

Everyone thinks we should go hunt these guys down and i agree. But the only thing is we have no idea who did it. We all assume that Bin Laden had something to do with it but thats the only name we hear. Besides the fact that we dont really have any hard evidance to prove that SOB is responsible for anything (i realize the CIA might have evidence, cell phone calls or whatever, but the american public doesnt know jack).

Also, i dont want to sound like a jerk or anything but these terrorists sound like just a bunch of arabian punks. they did nothing special. They hopped on a plane with plastic knives and flew them into poplulated buildings. Their not terrorist masterminds. their a bunch of sick fucks.
 
RE: USA UNDER ATTACK!!!!

i agree with you on the attack of my country was indeed
a horrific and selfless act of stupidity


"dreams are as dangerous as reality for the visions
we see in our sleep can be brought to life the atomic
spark is only the begining of the end and the end to
technologies begining-wealth and power has forsaken
all" the philosophy of one
 
RE: USA UNDER ATTACK!!!!

Killing him slowly in front national television? I don't think that a bloodlust revenge will accomplish nothing more than a kick of bittersweet satisfaction for the moments while the responsible for those acts of terrorism dies. Killing a human being isn't one of the roads for self-achievement.
 
RE: a few things....

I disagree with that view of the situation. Evidence shows that these were no "thought in a pipe flight" attacks. Somebody paid BIG money to engineers that knew where should they hit to produce maximum casualties. The way one of the towers collapsed showed that it was not an amateur job. That plane was directed to the steel and concrete pillars that went through the center of the structure. Those are my two cents in this situation. Could you guys confirm or deny the rumors that say that those planes were chosen because they were FULL of fuel? And about "going S.A.D. on Palestinians, Afghans, and what not", I must say that it would be Ill-advised. Should the responsibles for those attacks are captured, they should be confined while they live isolated from human contact. By torturing and maiming them, you will accomplish nothing than getting a little rush of semi-satisfaction. (Though, I don't know how can somebody relish in seeing somebody in pain.). Its sad when reason (cogitos) dissapears from human minds. That why, I said; I say and I will say...Religions should stick to saving people and not snoop inside politics. Failure to do so has led to massacres such as the Inquisition and the Holy Crusades, and to the deaths of great men such as Giordano Bruno, among others.

Cogito Ergo Sum, ma in questo mundo pazzo, essisto realmente?
 
RE: A bit wrong:

>I know only what I heard.
>This guy seemed credible but
>if you have friends and
>ties to the military you
>must be right. I just
>know that the thought of
>our nation with no military
>at all is about as
>scary as you can get...

News stations now are pretty convinced that the plane that hit the Pentagon was really meant for the White House, but only hit the Pentagon because the White House is really hard to discern from the air. The Pentagon is, well, big and probably looks like a big target from the air (those concentric sections don't help). The person pilotting that plane probably hit the Pentagon as a secondary target, figuring the other plane on the way could take out the White House instead.

While Camp David has some military considerations, it is for the most part, vacant. The only ceremonial value it might have to terrorists is that talks with Israel took place there and riled up a lot of people.

Seriously, would you bother with Camp David if you could hit the White House, the symbol of US power, instead?

-Xotor-

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RE: torture/execution is wrong..

>I doubt whoever masterminded it is
>going to turn themselves in.
>They'll fight if we try
>to capture him. It's more
>likely he'll die in a
>hail of bullets. I sure
>hope so. It's probably better
>than he deserves.

But that only martyrs the terroris. I'd rather brainwash the person Soviet-style, to turn them into blathering idiots that are so afraid and so pathetic that it shows how reduced they are.

-Xotor-

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