USA UNDER ATTACK!!!
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RE: a few things....
>I disagree with that view of
>the situation. Evidence shows
>that these were no "thought
>in a pipe flight" attacks.
> Somebody paid BIG money
>to engineers that knew where
>should they hit to produce
>maximum casualties. The way
>one of the towers collapsed
>showed that it was not
>an amateur job. That
>plane was directed to the
>steel and concrete pillars that
>went through the center of
>the structure.
I seriously doubt that the terrorists had any idea that those buildings would collapse due to the steel melting and the top crushing the bottom. It was probably beyond their wildest dreams. Their goal was probably for the most part, to leave huge gaping holes in the WTCs. Taking down those two buildings plus about four more was icing on the cake.
>Those are
>my two cents in this
>situation. Could you guys
>confirm or deny the rumors
>that say that those planes
>were chosen because they were
>FULL of fuel?
You're right, but I believe it was chosen like tht simply to produce a huge fireball and cause a lot of damage. I mean, what terrorist would want to have a plane crash into a building only to have it do minimal damage because there isn't much explosive power on it? Collapsing a building is a different issue.
>And
>about "going S.A.D. on Palestinians,
>Afghans, and what not", I
>must say that it would
>be Ill-advised. Should the
>responsibles for those attacks are
>captured, they should be confined
>while they live isolated from
>human contact.
I seriously think this is an opportunity to take advantage of a fractured Islam and embrace other countries as allies in the wake of the events. Leaders of Cuba, Iran, Lybia and other countries formerly thought of as enemies all condemned the acts of the terrorists. The world is disgusted.
What better way to find allies of former enemies than now? Right now the USA has the sympathy of many nations, including many in the Middle East. Rather than being regarded as heros, most of the populace of these countries have responded in horror at the actions taken by these terrorists.
It was like the Oklahoma City bombing. Before that time there were hundreds of anti-government militia groups and thousands of people within those organizations. Then came be bombing. People were completely disgusted by the carnage and unneeded deaths. Now there are as few as two or three militia groups with dwindling membership. It *devastated* these groups.
I can't say the situation is the same as with the OK bombing, but this is a fine opportunity to make something more of this incident than merely punishing who did it.
-Xotor-
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>I disagree with that view of
>the situation. Evidence shows
>that these were no "thought
>in a pipe flight" attacks.
> Somebody paid BIG money
>to engineers that knew where
>should they hit to produce
>maximum casualties. The way
>one of the towers collapsed
>showed that it was not
>an amateur job. That
>plane was directed to the
>steel and concrete pillars that
>went through the center of
>the structure.
I seriously doubt that the terrorists had any idea that those buildings would collapse due to the steel melting and the top crushing the bottom. It was probably beyond their wildest dreams. Their goal was probably for the most part, to leave huge gaping holes in the WTCs. Taking down those two buildings plus about four more was icing on the cake.
>Those are
>my two cents in this
>situation. Could you guys
>confirm or deny the rumors
>that say that those planes
>were chosen because they were
>FULL of fuel?
You're right, but I believe it was chosen like tht simply to produce a huge fireball and cause a lot of damage. I mean, what terrorist would want to have a plane crash into a building only to have it do minimal damage because there isn't much explosive power on it? Collapsing a building is a different issue.
>And
>about "going S.A.D. on Palestinians,
>Afghans, and what not", I
>must say that it would
>be Ill-advised. Should the
>responsibles for those attacks are
>captured, they should be confined
>while they live isolated from
>human contact.
I seriously think this is an opportunity to take advantage of a fractured Islam and embrace other countries as allies in the wake of the events. Leaders of Cuba, Iran, Lybia and other countries formerly thought of as enemies all condemned the acts of the terrorists. The world is disgusted.
What better way to find allies of former enemies than now? Right now the USA has the sympathy of many nations, including many in the Middle East. Rather than being regarded as heros, most of the populace of these countries have responded in horror at the actions taken by these terrorists.
It was like the Oklahoma City bombing. Before that time there were hundreds of anti-government militia groups and thousands of people within those organizations. Then came be bombing. People were completely disgusted by the carnage and unneeded deaths. Now there are as few as two or three militia groups with dwindling membership. It *devastated* these groups.
I can't say the situation is the same as with the OK bombing, but this is a fine opportunity to make something more of this incident than merely punishing who did it.
-Xotor-
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All they have achived
All the terriost have achived is uniteing all of the worlds country agaist terrorism All of the the eu russa, china etc the list gos on by there senceless act they have doomed them selves and all other terrists
All the terriost have achived is uniteing all of the worlds country agaist terrorism All of the the eu russa, china etc the list gos on by there senceless act they have doomed them selves and all other terrists
Ugly John
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
RE: a few things....
I personnaly think that what happened is beyond their wildest dreams. They probably hoped that at least one of the planes would hit.
If look carefully at second plane that went into the towers it almost missed. The plane was going to miss and he veered off at the last moment, this is not to make an effect or to do a slide shooting because you have an enemy around the corner. He was going so fast that at that speed the plane was very hard to control. If he would have continu on this heading the wing would have caught and the plane would have spiraled and crashed in the nearbyu buildings and the streets. That is even more scarier.
As for the plane in Pen. they say that it probably went down in the middle of nowhere because the passengers might have wrestle the terrorists and crased the plane on purpose. God bless them.
As they are Heros
SEb
I personnaly think that what happened is beyond their wildest dreams. They probably hoped that at least one of the planes would hit.
If look carefully at second plane that went into the towers it almost missed. The plane was going to miss and he veered off at the last moment, this is not to make an effect or to do a slide shooting because you have an enemy around the corner. He was going so fast that at that speed the plane was very hard to control. If he would have continu on this heading the wing would have caught and the plane would have spiraled and crashed in the nearbyu buildings and the streets. That is even more scarier.
As for the plane in Pen. they say that it probably went down in the middle of nowhere because the passengers might have wrestle the terrorists and crased the plane on purpose. God bless them.
As they are Heros
SEb
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funky draftsman
Guest
RE: a few things....
Don't be mistaken about the intelligence of these people; If one was a trained pilot (even if it was for smaller planes), who's to say that they don't have a structural engineer in their ranks. I think they knew exactly how to hit the WTC towers, for the most effective damage.
Most people of Arabic descent that I've met have been very intelligent. How many doctors, surgeons, architects have you seen of Arabic descent? I've seen many. Most are educated here in the US, or in the UK. They knew exactly how to hit Bhopal, India when they blew up that chemical plant.
Make no mistake on this; they knew what they were doing, which makes it even more horrifying. You can't think of them as back-asswards country-f*ck sand fleas; hell, even Bin Laden was trained by the CIA!
Don't be mistaken about the intelligence of these people; If one was a trained pilot (even if it was for smaller planes), who's to say that they don't have a structural engineer in their ranks. I think they knew exactly how to hit the WTC towers, for the most effective damage.
Most people of Arabic descent that I've met have been very intelligent. How many doctors, surgeons, architects have you seen of Arabic descent? I've seen many. Most are educated here in the US, or in the UK. They knew exactly how to hit Bhopal, India when they blew up that chemical plant.
Make no mistake on this; they knew what they were doing, which makes it even more horrifying. You can't think of them as back-asswards country-f*ck sand fleas; hell, even Bin Laden was trained by the CIA!
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Guest
Guest
Don't misunderstand me:
Camp David has a base near it (according to this guy) which is a backup to the Pentagon. They were not aiming for Camp David itself but the base in the same vacinity.
I agree with both of you, Camp David getting hit wouldn't really do shit and no military would reveal its weaknesses, but two major bases getting hit? Espically two that control so much of the military...
True Raven
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Camp David has a base near it (according to this guy) which is a backup to the Pentagon. They were not aiming for Camp David itself but the base in the same vacinity.
I agree with both of you, Camp David getting hit wouldn't really do shit and no military would reveal its weaknesses, but two major bases getting hit? Espically two that control so much of the military...
True Raven
http://www.annunakiguild.net
Then Annunaki FanFic and Theory Guild
Ugly John
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
RE: a few things....
>Don't be mistaken about the intelligence
>of these people; If one
>was a trained pilot (even
>if it was for smaller
>planes), who's to say that
>they don't have a structural
>engineer in their ranks. I
>think they knew exactly how
>to hit the WTC towers,
>for the most effective damage.
>
Then they would have hit lower.
I really dont think they tought that both towers would collapse or else they would have hit lower causing the tower to topple (real word?) over and causing more death and more damage. The way the WTC fell is just like we see on discovery when they show us pros demolishing buildings. I think it's luck that it collapsed and not planning. I know that hitting hi gives out more force than hitting low but if you remove the base you have nothing to stand on.
SEb
>Don't be mistaken about the intelligence
>of these people; If one
>was a trained pilot (even
>if it was for smaller
>planes), who's to say that
>they don't have a structural
>engineer in their ranks. I
>think they knew exactly how
>to hit the WTC towers,
>for the most effective damage.
>
Then they would have hit lower.
I really dont think they tought that both towers would collapse or else they would have hit lower causing the tower to topple (real word?) over and causing more death and more damage. The way the WTC fell is just like we see on discovery when they show us pros demolishing buildings. I think it's luck that it collapsed and not planning. I know that hitting hi gives out more force than hitting low but if you remove the base you have nothing to stand on.
SEb
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Guest
Guest
RE: a few things....
>>but if you remove the base you have nothing to stand on.<<
Remember that the base was already damaged from the attack a few years ago. Combine that the added weight of an aircraft sitting on the top of the building and you get one hell of a collapse....
True Raven
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>>but if you remove the base you have nothing to stand on.<<
Remember that the base was already damaged from the attack a few years ago. Combine that the added weight of an aircraft sitting on the top of the building and you get one hell of a collapse....
True Raven
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The Annunaki FanFic and Theory Guild
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funky draftsman
Guest
RE: a few things....
While I agree that hitting it lower would have done more damage, how do you get lower while flying a jumbo jet? You'd have too many other structures in the way for a clear shot at your target.
That's probably why they grabbed jets that were still fairly full of fuel, i.e. from airports that were closer to NY & DC; more fuel, more fire. More fire, more heat. More heat, weaker structure. It doesn't even take a structural engineer to figure that out (hell, if I could, anyone can). That fire burned in excess of 1000 degrees F! You can get very basic blue prints of most buildings fairly easy. They may not be very detailed, but honestly, how much detail would you need?
I don't, however, think that they were expecting this to work as well as it did for them. This disaster was probably beyond their wildest dreams.
While I agree that hitting it lower would have done more damage, how do you get lower while flying a jumbo jet? You'd have too many other structures in the way for a clear shot at your target.
That's probably why they grabbed jets that were still fairly full of fuel, i.e. from airports that were closer to NY & DC; more fuel, more fire. More fire, more heat. More heat, weaker structure. It doesn't even take a structural engineer to figure that out (hell, if I could, anyone can). That fire burned in excess of 1000 degrees F! You can get very basic blue prints of most buildings fairly easy. They may not be very detailed, but honestly, how much detail would you need?
I don't, however, think that they were expecting this to work as well as it did for them. This disaster was probably beyond their wildest dreams.
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Skynet
Guest
RE: If we keep denying the threat...
Well, I only have one more point to post: If we keep ignoring the threat that terrorists represent (by saying that they are blathering idiots that hijacked a plane and directed it to the towers while they were grabbing their hands and hoped that they would knock the buildings down), this tragedy can happen AGAIN. I am not praising terrorists or terrorism. People say that this is no war but have you ever thought of the term "Holy War"? Even if they didn't declare war officially, they are at war. This is their way of doing war. They can't do war like the US can (US declares war and then starts sending the heavy machinery to the enemy's country), they are small countries like you have said. The US is a BIG country. If you go to war with it, it will crush you. To compare Iraq and the US is ridiculous. Let me put it in this way: have you ever been beaten by a bully? If not, then good for you, but I have. You want to know how I took revenge? I pushed him from the stairs in the school while he wasn't looking. Thats what Iraq or whatother country is doing. They know that if they go to war with the US, they are going to come out with their ass sore, REAL SORE. So what do they do? They resort to cowardice, like I did, but they call it "self-defense" (I wish I could have punched they daylights out of that jerk).
Intelligence and fanatism are words that aren't apart from each other a great deal. Heisenberg and Planck worked for the NAZI. Einstein was horrified, yet they justified themselves as "patriots". And how can they justify killing people (Ok, they didn't fight in the battlefield with a gun in their hands but they designed even more terrible means of destroying life) that do not represent the country? They callously allege they are "war casualties" (if someone has heard a bigger cry of cowardice, let me hear it).
And to close this post, I will post a few words to think on, something that has flourished in my head. I think scientists shouldn't have nationality or political beliefs, because even when they support the side thats considered "the right side" they cause more casualties. Its a shame scientists are humans, and thus are not exempt from passions and emotions.
Celebrating human destruction is to promote it.
Well, I only have one more point to post: If we keep ignoring the threat that terrorists represent (by saying that they are blathering idiots that hijacked a plane and directed it to the towers while they were grabbing their hands and hoped that they would knock the buildings down), this tragedy can happen AGAIN. I am not praising terrorists or terrorism. People say that this is no war but have you ever thought of the term "Holy War"? Even if they didn't declare war officially, they are at war. This is their way of doing war. They can't do war like the US can (US declares war and then starts sending the heavy machinery to the enemy's country), they are small countries like you have said. The US is a BIG country. If you go to war with it, it will crush you. To compare Iraq and the US is ridiculous. Let me put it in this way: have you ever been beaten by a bully? If not, then good for you, but I have. You want to know how I took revenge? I pushed him from the stairs in the school while he wasn't looking. Thats what Iraq or whatother country is doing. They know that if they go to war with the US, they are going to come out with their ass sore, REAL SORE. So what do they do? They resort to cowardice, like I did, but they call it "self-defense" (I wish I could have punched they daylights out of that jerk).
Intelligence and fanatism are words that aren't apart from each other a great deal. Heisenberg and Planck worked for the NAZI. Einstein was horrified, yet they justified themselves as "patriots". And how can they justify killing people (Ok, they didn't fight in the battlefield with a gun in their hands but they designed even more terrible means of destroying life) that do not represent the country? They callously allege they are "war casualties" (if someone has heard a bigger cry of cowardice, let me hear it).
And to close this post, I will post a few words to think on, something that has flourished in my head. I think scientists shouldn't have nationality or political beliefs, because even when they support the side thats considered "the right side" they cause more casualties. Its a shame scientists are humans, and thus are not exempt from passions and emotions.
Celebrating human destruction is to promote it.