Wanting to build a new PC.

Perfect, it looks like you've got me convinced on the A64.

I'll probably hold off until I can get a board with the PCI-E on it. I'm wanting to be able for this thing (at least the CPU/MB) to last a while without another massive upgrade.

I've heard good things about the MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum , but am looking for offerings by ASUS or ABIT, since I've never gotten MSI before.
 
Intel = "bad"

All hyper threading does is double the CPU bus speed. A P4 has about 800Mhz bus speed now. They think they're a monopoly because they have Dell on a leash and so they can release inferior products.

AMD= "good"

The AMD 64 processors have about 1600 Mhz bus speed, which is almost as much as the speed of the processor.

The fact is that Intel is behind in the industry and Celeron is the worst processor ever created. The only reason they're so popular is because their cheap. They are unstable pieces of crap and that's final!

EDIT: Yeah, what Montez said.

As far as video cards go, I'm for a Nvidia (Geforce) card over an ATI (Radeon) one, but I have no real reason or strong preference between the two. I have this friend who says ATI cards are not worth the plastic they're made of though.
 
Heh heh, I know I'm going to be cursed by Gods of CPU Architecture for violating my oath to praise Intel on every possible occasion, but Itanium 2 is quite a debacle, at least from commercial point of view. When I have time, I'll look into technical details of both Opteron and Itanium - there has to be some detail in Itanium's specifications that makes it superior to Opteron, I just know it! :)

To calculon: Don't believe the bogus information CPU companies give about bus speed. Most circuitry nowadays performs operations on both the rising and the falling edge of the clock signal, so manufacturers are quick to advertise their CPU/memory/whatever work on twice their actual frequency. LIES!
 
A Intel Pentium 2.8GHz is equal to a AMD Athlon XP 2800+ that is clocked at 2.08GHz, Intel 3.2GHz is equal to an AMD 3200+, etc. although my AMD 2800+ smokes the Intel of the same class even without overclocking. If I am not mistaken, the reason the GHz are different but actual speeds are equal to each other is because of the length of the pipeline in the processor. AMD processors have a shorter pipeline and are better for gaming whereas Intel chips have a longer pipeline and are better for compiling data, ripping DVD's, etc. I will try to look for a article to better explain it.

Edit: Here is a article. It is kind of long but in it you will find what I am talking about, among other information.
 
Hell, why not make it 550 W? It's an overkill now, but in two years you might end up beating yourself over the head because your PSU is too weak for that brand new GeForce 8...
 
calculon00 said:
All hyper threading does is double the CPU bus speed. A P4 has about 800Mhz bus speed now.
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no & no.

Hyperthreading allows for much better multitasking. multitasking on AMD & Intel PCs give an entirely different feel. Intel is better at this.

the current FSB for the newest intel chips are 1066Mhz btw, not 800.

calculon00 said:
They think they're a monopoly because they have Dell on a leash and so they can release inferior products.
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blah blah blah... they try to release better stuff than AMD, but they failed ok? dont go bashing Intel all the time. for instance, Intel mobile processors are a lot better than AMDs...

calculon00 said:
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chill out dude, you'll live longer. & inform yourself a bit as well, you'll see the world isn't black & white...

calculon00 said:
As far as video cards go, I'm for a Nvidia (Geforce) card over an ATI (Radeon) one, but I have no real reason or strong preference between the two. I have this friend who says ATI cards are not worth the plastic they're made of though.
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an x800pro is inferior to an 6800GT, yes

however a particular brand of these x800pro are modable to x800xt-pe.

furthermore, an x800xt-pe (like he listed in his first system) is in no way inferior to an 6800GT. hell, an x800xt-pe owns the shit out of a 6800GT...

Briosafreak said:
Remember the power supply should be at least 400w, 500 would be probably better.
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agreed, but also remember that a good 380W PSU will own a value 500W PSU without a problem. i don't know what kind of good PSUs are available in your area but be sure to look for good reviews first.



anyhow, Pope_Viper, since you seem to be going for a high end system i'll, my advice:

CPU: go for an 90nm S939 AMD64 CPU. these lil' buggers take less voltage & produce less heat than their older 130nm counterparts. (additional benefit: better overclockability)

Motherboard: because you are aiming for a top of the line pc, i'd say you would have to go for a top of the line nforce4 board with dual graphics PCI-E 16x (or dual 8x ). this will allow you to plug in 2 special nvidia graphics cards and use them in SLI. (these motherboards should be available soon). i'd advise AGAINST going for an MSI motherboard, but rather for Albatron, ASUS or ABIT. but keep in mind: just because the company makes a lot of good motherboards doesnt mean this is always the case! (PS: taking a non-PCI-E mobo would be a huge mistake)

Graphics: as said above, the x800xt isn't bad at all, but in you're position i'd go for a single 6800GT card. this card is usually very easily overclocked to 6800Ultra without any problems whatsoever.
because i advised you to take an SLI compatible motherboard, you can easily upgrade your graphics without having to throw away the card you already own. a dual 6800GT setup will push your 3d performance up with 90%. (easily besting any single graphics card available in the world)

Memory: i'd aim for 1Gb of PC3500 memory with agressive timings. this of course also depends on the motherboard of your choice (and if you want to do a mild or hard overclock)
 
Pope_Viper said:
Here's that PSU I'm going with:

http://www.pcpowercooling.com/about/index_whatnew510.htm
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Don't know anything about them - have you bought from them before, or did you get a recommendation from someone? Seems like an excessive amount of power, though I guess it's kind of future proof.

Edit: I have to disagree with you Suaside. The dual PCI-E thing is ridiculous and a waste of money. You aren't going to get anywhere near enough of a performance boost to justify paying for a motherboard with it and a second video card.
 
Yea, I figured if I'm going to add 2-3 HD's, a DVD player, some LCD panels, a PCI-E card that has seperate power requirements, I'd want to get a solid PSU to handle it, plus be future proof.

I'm thinking that with this case and PSU, I've got a pretty basis to build from.
 
Montez said:
I have to disagree with you SuAside. The dual PCI-E thing is ridiculous and a waste of money. You aren't going to get anywhere near enough of a performance boost to justify paying for a motherboard with it and a second video card.
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well, he's got the money it seems (& the second graphics card is only meant to be bought much later, probably second hand)

it would be a pitty to pass up an SLI mobo if you got the cash... (hell, he wanted to go for a x800xt-pe ffs!)
 
Yea, cash isn't that big of a deal (within limits!), but I'm really going for future proof on this.
 
not a bad choice Pope, but don't make up your mind before it has actually been released an thoroughly tested.

( yes, i know, many big sites have tested it already. ;) )
 
True, true, I'm probably looking at a purchase in 1-1.5 months, or as soon as little momma will let me break out the wallet.

:)
 
*TWITCH*

Now I need therapy all over again! Damnit! I had a celeron 2.6. Oddly enough, my P4 1.5 killed it at everything, especially gaming. As such, I can vouch for the doritos explanation: "Take a bag of chips, smash it, stick a "50% more chips inside!" label, and you have a celeron!" See also: "Budget CPU Shootout: Clash of the 'rons" article

Here's my recomendation:
CPU: Socket 939, Athlon 64 2.2ghz Will perform above all intel setups outside the EE(starting at ~$800). Runs in dual channel, so try and get a gig of 2x512 MB RAM sticks that are identical, to run in Dual channel mode (doubles RAM bandwith)

Motherboard: I suggest getting a NForce 4 motherboard, to get PCI-Express (current video cards don't gain in performance from PCE-Express, but it lets you run future cards) If you like you can even get SLI (dual video card) motherboard for better upgrading.

RAM: OCZ, Crucial, Mushkin, Kingston 512x2 sticks will be fine. A64s dont benefit as much from low timings, because they have low latency anyway (memory controller is on the CPU). Make shure you get PC3200 or greater.

Video card: 6800GT is my recomendation, it'll perform better on future games. (It supports the newest pixel model, Pixel shader 3)

Make shure you have a good power supply (see Enermax<Antec<OCZ, OCZ being the best) 420Watt should be enough from those 3 companies, 500Watt is my suggestion if from another company. I do like having a better PSU than needed though.
 
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