Warfare in the Fallout world: 2077 onwards.

Lone Cat

Lone Cat

It Wandered In From the Wastes
1. How does the post-war warfare looks like? is it a pure gangbang or wildwest shootout? or is it really european dark ages with machineguns, rockets, and death rays?
2. By the time the NCR is formally established. what are the NCR military branches?
do they have artillery units?
and what is an NCR military doctrines?
- Baroque - American Civil War
- Late victorian warfare (including Spanish-American war, and Boxer rebellion crisis)
- 1st World War
- 2nd World War and beyond
3. What is the legion 'actual' doctrines? while the Legion itself is stylized after the actual Roman Legion. they welcome firearms and energy weapons but no bots.
- Renaissance pike 'n shots
- Baroque era (alternately age of reasons to 1860s). main focus is Line Infantry, equipped with both guns and blades, and also equally trained to effectively fights with guns and do an intensive melee combat. cavalry only does some nuisance, the artillery however, does a significant killings
4. Should both NCR and the Legion choose Baroque style warfare. do they have any concepts of artillery and how does it looks like. given that Howitzer shellings aren't common, Do bazookas, Miniguns, Browning fifty cal machinegun (Legion has some), and Fatman Nuka Launchers fill the artillery roles?
 
here. well it's just a concept art.
i'm yet to play the actual FONV

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M2's are incredibly robust. old fashioned artillery as well.

many poor countries still use dated tanks, because they last and still work.
the M2 machine gun is from 1933 and is still very much in use, with no need to change it any. i see no reason why it should not be in use far in the post-apocallyptic future.

as for your questions Lone Cat, most of them are quite hypothetical, and i think your best answers lie in observations of humanity.

the more manpower, the larger the territory, the greater the need for proper doctrines and strategies to follow in combat, proper discipline, and proper ranks - all adapted to the actual environment they are in.
it would also depend on the organization of their enemies. war is competition.

behaviour always comes down to surroundings - where we are, whats around us, whats affecting us.
 
M2 .50s are awesome.... until you mess up the headspacing ONCE... you probably wont do it a gain if you have one or more OOB Discharges.

zegh8578 said:
M2's are incredibly robust. old fashioned artillery as well.
the M2 machine gun is from 1933 and is still very much in use, with no need to change it any. i see no reason why it should not be in use far in the post-apocallyptic future.
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WillisPDunlevey said:
M2 .50s are awesome.... until you mess up the headspacing ONCE... you probably wont do it a gain if you have one or more OOB Discharges.
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its been ages since i operated one (never in "real action"), but during an inspection in one of our first field exercises, a coronel (no less) strolled over, and wanted to see me perform some or other test we did (ive forgotten the details now), and as he watched, the whole thing jammed up, and refused to budge. heavy mechanics, stuck like a rock. i was so embarassed. the sarge next to me was just as dumbfounded as me, as we tried to figure out what the hell went wrong. my gun-mate, a lapplander, came walking over "hey whats up!" "not now!" "is it jammed?" "i said not now!"
he gave it a kick.
and it worked.
like right out of a parody.
the coronel was very pleased, and continued his inspection.

k, back to topic. lone cat does make quite intriguingly inquisitive threads, i like these :D
 
Well, Judging by the Battle of Hoover Dam, I would say its something like modern combat...I guess.
I'm not really sure, what do you call it when an agressor rushes a defended location and tries to kill all the defenders?
 
More like the Spanish-American war (though I want to debate you on your terms there)

Reason being, the Legion is like a massive Zouave unit, using melee weapons like they do. They would no doubt do well taking San Juan hill
 
so you say... 'late victorian' right?
OK that's due to the fact that everyone uses repeater firearms. the legion may also use spear and sword once they fight in melee. the lack of aviation (i think only two factions are known to practice aerial combats; Enclave, and the Brotherhood (pics below)) and no one uses armored combat automotives in any battles.
 
The Boomers practice aerial combat, they just haven't had any luck actually performing aerial combat until the Courier shows up.

No known uses of ground combat vehicles, though there is a "suggestion" from the All Roads comic that there is some cavalry out there. Though it's canonicity is partially in question.

Combat would be somewhere similar to the American Civil War (Ulysses' comparison is a bit more appropriate here), where you would have a variety of different weapons, like more archaic "cowboy" rifles alongside more modern weapons, and then artillery and machine guns, in-between the gruesome fighting involved in bayonet charges (represented as spears and swords, as you say).

On one side, you have the NCR, with more regimented firearms capabilities, with more martial capabilities demonstrated by their rangers. Their 'doctrine' would primarily revolve around superior firepower. As many of the NCR officers make note, the NCR army is made up of recruits who barely have more than a couple weeks training and rely on their weapons. They would more or less be the Union in the War.

The Legion would show the reverse, melee capacity is their chosen form of combat, but ranged fire is not out of the question. Legion tactics would vary depending on the situation. The likelihood is that they would eschew firearms unless it became necessary, and then they'd likely use it to cover their charge, not unlike bayonet charges.

The Legion is comprised of many tribes which Caesar conquered and assimilated, so much of the Legion have pre-existing experience in combat of one form or another from their tribal days, and this experience is reapplied to their war effort. The comparison would be that they do fit some of the Confederate similarities.
 
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Seeing that picture for the first time was probably the biggest WTF I've had with the Fallout series.
Never finished Tactics.
 
zegh8578 said:
WillisPDunlevey said:
M2 .50s are awesome.... until you mess up the headspacing ONCE... you probably wont do it a gain if you have one or more OOB Discharges.
Click to expand...

its been ages since i operated one (never in "real action"), but during an inspection in one of our first field exercises, a coronel (no less) strolled over, and wanted to see me perform some or other test we did (ive forgotten the details now), and as he watched, the whole thing jammed up, and refused to budge. heavy mechanics, stuck like a rock. i was so embarassed. the sarge next to me was just as dumbfounded as me, as we tried to figure out what the hell went wrong. my gun-mate, a lapplander, came walking over "hey whats up!" "not now!" "is it jammed?" "i said not now!"
he gave it a kick.
and it worked.
like right out of a parody.
the coronel was very pleased, and continued his inspection.

k, back to topic. lone cat does make quite intriguingly inquisitive threads, i like these :D
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awesome story. :D

Isnt that why people go to the army in the first place?
 
Lone Cat said:
so you say... 'late victorian' right?
OK that's due to the fact that everyone uses repeater firearms. the legion may also use spear and sword once they fight in melee. the lack of aviation (i think only two factions are known to practice aerial combats; Enclave, and the Brotherhood (pics below)) and no one uses armored combat automotives in any battles.
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I've always heard it distinguished as-

Prehistoric, Roman, Medieval, Gunpowder, Napoleonic, Industrial and Modern

And to my credit, I have an associates in Military Science and Bachelors in Military History.
 
Lone Cat said:
a pic of brotherhood air force
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Ah. This being from Fallout Tactics which is semi-canon, perhaps those particular shouldn't be involved in the discussion until that gets cleared up. Else we do wind up with old tanks and hummers in the discussion as fighting vehicles.
 
I think the Legion practices guerilla warfare actually.
There's that one account from a ranger who talks about how the legion would give children grenades and leave them for the NCR to find.
 
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