weapon question: Vindicator MG or Bozar?
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Oh sorry, I have mesed up the tabs browsing this board.
Here are some stats: http://www.yiya.de/games/fallout2/index.htm
It's german, but i don't think the numbers would be unreadable because of that.
Unfortunately, there is no gauss gating gun, is there?
Here are some stats: http://www.yiya.de/games/fallout2/index.htm
It's german, but i don't think the numbers would be unreadable because of that.
Unfortunately, there is no gauss gating gun, is there?
Wrong forum.
Slaughter Manslaught
Vault Senior Citizen
That's a good question... I think Vindicator is better if you like to fire more bullets and penetrate armor better. The Bozar uses some odd ammo, .233. It's hunting ammunition, and yet can hurt a Enclave soldier. Bizarre.
Lord Elden
Still Mildly Glowing
Vindicator uses rare ammo. Overall, I prefer the Bozar for because there's plenty of ammo for it. Vindicator looks cooler though.
There *is* a Gauss Minigun, but it's in Fallout Tactics only.
There *is* a Gauss Minigun, but it's in Fallout Tactics only.
Bozar is more managable, and especially if you've got the user-made patch from this site that puts the .233 ammo at the stats it was 'supposed to have' quite as effective. Or did they change that in a newer version?
The Gauss Minigun is tactics, where the equivalent debate goes between it and the Browning M2.
The Gauss Minigun is tactics, where the equivalent debate goes between it and the Browning M2.
Vindicator Minigun Burst:
25 x 4.7 mm Caseless (x1.5 Damage)
14-19 Damage (16.5 Average)
25 * (16.5 * 1.5 - DT) = [618.75 (-25 * DT)] * (1 - DR)
Bozar Burst:
15 x .223 FMJ (x1 Damage)
25-35 Damage (30 Average)
15 * (30 * 1 - DT) = [450 (-15 * DT)] * (1 - DR)
(where DT is the opponent's armor Damage Threshold, and DR the Damage Resistance)
The Vindicator should be superior, however, against heavily armored targets, the Damage Threshold devastates this weapon's damage (can be sort of bypassed with the Bonus Ranged Damage and Living Anatomy Perks however). The Bozar, on the other hand, has a higher average, and it's ammo is more abundant and cheaper, lasting you longer.
Let's take an example against a fictitious Enclave Guard, who's wearing Advanced Power Armor Mk II (18 DT/0.6 DR against Normal):
Vindicator: [618.75 (-25 * 18)] * (1 - 0.6) = 67.5 Damage
Bozar: [450 (-15 * 18)] * (1 - 0.6) = 72 Damage
The Bozar is more effective! Even if you pick 2 x Bonus Ranged Damage ...
Vindicator: [768.25 (-25 * 18)] * (1 - 0.6) = 127.3 Damage
Bozar: [510 (-15 * 18)] * (1 - 0.6) = 96 Damage
... the Vindicator wins by a meager 32% damage increase (thank the lizard for this one), which is not enough to kill the 150 HP guard.
Then again, you normally wouldn't pick those perks unless you're going all the way along with 10 Agility, Fast Shot, Bonus Rate of Fire, Sniper and 2 x Action Boy. However, since you'll probably be picking Sniper near the end you should be getting some nasty burst criticals; which probably means the Vindicator is overkill.
So go for the Bozar.
25 x 4.7 mm Caseless (x1.5 Damage)
14-19 Damage (16.5 Average)
25 * (16.5 * 1.5 - DT) = [618.75 (-25 * DT)] * (1 - DR)
Bozar Burst:
15 x .223 FMJ (x1 Damage)
25-35 Damage (30 Average)
15 * (30 * 1 - DT) = [450 (-15 * DT)] * (1 - DR)
(where DT is the opponent's armor Damage Threshold, and DR the Damage Resistance)
The Vindicator should be superior, however, against heavily armored targets, the Damage Threshold devastates this weapon's damage (can be sort of bypassed with the Bonus Ranged Damage and Living Anatomy Perks however). The Bozar, on the other hand, has a higher average, and it's ammo is more abundant and cheaper, lasting you longer.
Let's take an example against a fictitious Enclave Guard, who's wearing Advanced Power Armor Mk II (18 DT/0.6 DR against Normal):
Vindicator: [618.75 (-25 * 18)] * (1 - 0.6) = 67.5 Damage
Bozar: [450 (-15 * 18)] * (1 - 0.6) = 72 Damage
The Bozar is more effective! Even if you pick 2 x Bonus Ranged Damage ...
Vindicator: [768.25 (-25 * 18)] * (1 - 0.6) = 127.3 Damage
Bozar: [510 (-15 * 18)] * (1 - 0.6) = 96 Damage
... the Vindicator wins by a meager 32% damage increase (thank the lizard for this one), which is not enough to kill the 150 HP guard.
Then again, you normally wouldn't pick those perks unless you're going all the way along with 10 Agility, Fast Shot, Bonus Rate of Fire, Sniper and 2 x Action Boy. However, since you'll probably be picking Sniper near the end you should be getting some nasty burst criticals; which probably means the Vindicator is overkill.
So go for the Bozar.
Living Anatomy doesn't add damage to each bullet.
Also it appears you added 6 damage for each bullet, when the maximum is +4 with two levels of BRD. You got it right with the Bozar.
(768.75 - 618.75) / 25 = 6
You're applying the ammo damage multiplier to the BRD?
You're applying the ammo damage multiplier to the BRD?
Oh God no
Not the Vindicator vs Bozar debate again
This nearly destroyed NMA last time. DON'T LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN.
Not the Vindicator vs Bozar debate again
This nearly destroyed NMA last time. DON'T LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN.
Lord Elden
Still Mildly Glowing
Once you have Sniper they'll drop like flies regardless if you're using Bozar or Vindicator. You'll get 4 bursts from the latter before a need to reload though.