Weapon suggestion!

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I agree with this dude, but form is also important. Why do you think Counter-Strike is so popular? It has simple gameplay, and guns that people wanna use. Simple as that, theres a gun in the game for everyone, and i think FO2 did this amazingly well. There are a billion other Counter-strike clones, but to be honest ive never gotten into the ones that are complex and use "generic" model guns, cause its just not as fun for me :)
 
Yeah man! I miss the Bozar (Or should I say, SiG-550 Sniper Rifle Heh..heh..he..). Wanna know why there are no M16, Steyr Aug, UZI, MP5, and AK47 in FO1 and FO2. Because those guns above are illegal in State of California! And FOT happens in Chicago! Right! And as a Loyal Citizen of the United States Of America, The Chosen One never carry one of those...Just Kidding.

But I still expect the FO3 uses real weaponry....(And I expect Ball Cannon and Flintlock Musket there. Why? Because is cheap and easily build!)

BTW, someguys say "The Swiss is Neutral so never had any Vaults....blah...blah...blah...". My Answer is Neutral is not always survive. The Dutch, DAnish, Norway and Finland neutral during WW2 but they are overrun by NAZIs. And if you read history books the Swiss did Infact had Vaults!! Created during WW2 and perfected in 50's, and to complement the Vaults they created the world best Assault Rifle, the STGw-510....
 
*sigh*

I wouldn't expect you to have a clue about why Fallout's guns were named the way they were, along with how the cities were named. It was part of the setting, something you obviously know little about given how you were insisting on assraping it in another thread here.

Also, would you care to explain your relationship with connie_lyons?
 
Holy shit, the n00bs get dumber and dumber with each passing year, don't they?

>Yeah man! I miss the Bozar (Or should
>I say, SiG-550 Sniper Rifle Heh..heh..
>he..). Wanna know why there are no M16,
>Steyr Aug, UZI, MP5, and AK47 in FO1
>and FO2.

Because Fallout is an ALTERNATIVE TIME LINE. Notice that they still use vacuum tubes and cathode ray tubes everywhere in the game. Notice that their computers are really, really big things whereas ours are tiny in comparason. They have a technology base that's significantly different from our own.

The reason there shouldn't be weapons such as the M-16, UZI, etc. is because those weapons would be pitifully out of date or too high tech for the Fallout universe. Notice the AK-112 Assault Rifle still uses wood, even though it was used up to the Great War. We don't even use wood now on our weapons, and things like the OICW rely on tiny electronics that just aren't present in Fallout.
 
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Settle down guys, put yur duelling pistols away eh??;)

The thing is, fallout, all three of them, were based not only on one set time. The actual technology level changed throughout the levels. From the tribes, who would be lucky to have a black powder musket (I would love to find one of those), to the vault dwellers, who were pretty much as advanced as they got. This means, the range of weapons in fallout is infinite. From spears to black powder weapons to shotguns to railguns to high tech plasma bloody rifles.
I reckon, they should stick to what they did in Fallout 2 and FOT, where they had certain guns and actually named that gun, be it real gun or a high tec made up gun, instead of having one gun for each genre of weapons. I like having a choice of weapons to use, and think they should have loads of current day guns, as well as a large number of high tec guns (with only the really powerful guns being rare). And finally, all of the REALLY old guns should be rare, almost like collectors pieces(which they would be then).
 
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>The thing is, fallout, all three
>of them, were based not
>only on one set time.
> The actual technology level
>changed throughout the levels.

That doesn't mean that the people would know the name of a gun. When it comes to survival and scavenging, you're just going to know what type of a gun it was and what it uses.


> From spears to black
>powder weapons to shotguns to
>railguns to high tech plasma
>bloody rifles.
>I reckon, they should stick to
>what they did in Fallout
>2 and FOT, where they
>had certain guns and actually
>named that gun, be it
>real gun or a high
>tec made up gun, instead
>of having one gun for
>each genre of weapons.
>I like having a choice
>of weapons to use, and
>think they should have loads
>of current day guns, as
>well as a large number
>of high tec guns (with
>only the really powerful guns
>being rare).

Yup, another person without a clue about the setting.
 
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Hmmm!!! Collector Piece right? Why not put those Beretta 455 ELL Combo Gun with .470 American Express Round. In 1998 a new specimen prized about $47.000 dollar (You could buy 5 OICW with that or some Minigun.) Thats what i called a collector Piece? And guns like Mauser pistols, Lewis, Bren, Sten, MP-40, BAR is already collector piece nowaday but they were still used by the Brotherhood (In Fallout Tactics). How the hell they got those thing? Raiding Smithsonian Museum or US Army Scrap Yard?
 
SHUT UP BHASSS!!@!!

Why dont we have some good ol "perjuangan" weapon??? (since today is our independence day...) like stens, brens, mausers, and... bambu runcingss(sharpened bamboos) of course, we could also include galils, fn f2000, and everything they got on world.guns.ru!!! (this is NOT a commercial ads!!)

more...
why dont we think more about those melee and unarmed combat, like keris (krisknive), kujang, golok and parang!!!, and why dont we add some style while using melee weapon, not just stab and slice, add some variation such as combos or some parry attacks(counterattack) OR, if you dont mind, lets make cassidy's wish come true! LIMIT BREAK!!!
 
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I think anytime you have to point out that a weapon was used in Fallout Tactics, you should realise that doesn't help your case.

Fun Fact: Fallout is retro-future based on 1950s sci-fi.

Exactly what part of that makes you think modern weapons fit in at all?

Furthermore, why the hell would you want to raid a museum for antique weapons when there's pre-Great War weapons that are mostly likely better, like the AK-112 Assault Rifle?
 
RE: Woods?

And there's a very good reason that weapon wasn't used, it weighs 15lbs. See, wood is HEAVY, and we, today, have better stuff with which to make weapons. However, in Fallout, they don't, so they're still using wood.

Fallout's timeline diverged from our own several decades ago, because it's based on 1950's sci-fi. Notice that the Walther WA-2000 was made in the 1970s. 1970 is passed 1950s, therefore, it wouldn't fit well within the Fallout universe.
 
RE: Eck...

Fallout didn't branch 20-30 years from now, moron. It branched 40-50 years AGO. Long before there was an M-16, in fact.
 
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Rosh-

I see your point in that people would not remember the names of certain guns over a long time. It makes sense that the names would be forgotten. I also see your point about an alternative time line meaning that certain weapons might never exist.

The problem I see is one of consistence but also, sadly, of customer satisfaction. A lot of players would probably want the game to be consistent with other fallouts. Even if Fallout 2 and Tactics missed the ideas found in Fallout 1, it seems that a Fallout 3 without some of those weapons would also be flawed. Also, based on the responses on this discussion page, a lot of players might be disappointed that weapons they had used in earlier fallouts might no longer exist. We could say, screw em, but disappointed customers might be bad for any future fallouts.

I agree that in many ways Fallout 1 was, conceptually, a better game. I am just not sure if Fallout could turn it around for Fallout 3.

Also it seems a common problem in all the Fallouts that by mid-game the player is swamped with guns of all shapes and types. Personally I think this is a flaw. Guns should be harder to get. Would it be possible for Fallout 3 to maintain the variety even if the original names were lost or if these guns were renamed?
 
Oh yeah! Another lunatic Indonesian in this Message Board! Let me translate those mambo jambo to you. "Perjuangan" mean Independence War. So these freak called H-Seeker suggest pre-1945 weapon to be exist in FO3 such as Garand, Lee-Enfield, Bren, Sten and another old school gun used by resistance in Indonesia against the Dutch and Japanese Invader during post WWII. Well for the limit break, Naaahhhh!!! That makes our favourite game looks like Final Fantasy and should be named "Fallout Fantasy". By the way H, didn't you say before you didn't like FF?
 
What are u talking about? I just hear that rumour from the Fallout II forum few years ago? Some guy ask about BFG and some dude says it's just another Rumour. And I'm not a Czech! Just another stranger from the edge of the world (Duuuhhhh!)

Well let me divide the weapon cathegory that may be stil exist 300 years later.
1. Primitive firearms: The Flintlock Musket and Ball cannon surely still exist. Simple, cheap and robust even the post Nuclear Society could make them. The Pipe Rifle and Zip-Gun probably still exist and most of them will be newly build gun.
2. Old School Firearm: the gun created during the '40 undoubtly robust, well made and nowadays available in such a quantity. Stored in the warehouse wrapped in Cosmoline and grease, probably a quantity still in storage during the war and survived (Well those 100 years old Mausers still can shoot well. Also those Lee, Garand, Sten and others). They probably the mainstay of post nuke Town.
3. Civil Gun: Well in USA there were plenty of these. So some must be survive.
4. Modern gun: The lasers and plasma are unlikely survive u know. They need constant repair and spares will very scarce. So there were little probability they used by the post Nuke Society.
 
>So these freak called H-Seeker
>suggest pre-1945 weapon to be
>exist in FO3 such as
>Garand, Lee-Enfield, Bren, Sten and
>another old school gun used
>by resistance in Indonesia against
>the Dutch and Japanese Invader
>during post WWII.

I'll say the Limit Break doesn't belong, but what part of "as depicted by 1950's pulp sci-fi" absolutely fails to hit anything between your ears? That's why all this Counter-Strike bullshit doesn't belong.
 
Wow, leave for a few weeks and the place is ....... :)

Anyway, it's an interesting discussion to read. I agree with welsh here. I just started to replay FO2 after a long time, and I've just noticed a few things I wasn't paying attention to before.

1. I am usually swamped with guns I'll probably never use by the time I hit VC, or whatever next town happens to be. I agree with welsh that a lot of the guns should be harder to acquire(let alone knowing how to properly operate it/service it). AK-112 was a great assault rifle to use in FO1, but in FO2, I ditch it as soon as I was able to afford combat shotgun, which means not very long at all. It could be a good idea for anything above combat shotguns to be "a lot" harder to find, such as the H&K CAWS, Pancor Jackhammer, or P90c, and etc..., because it just doesn't seem possible for that many guns of a much higher tech level to survive that long. I can barely get my TV running more than 10 yrs, let along 80yrs.

2. There are only 6 Regular handguns in FO2. It doesn't seem probable for the most widely available firearm to not survive the war. I had more rifle choices than I care to shake a stick at, but handguns at begining? Nope.

3. Strange idea. How the hell do you know how to operate and service a plasma rifle, a gauss rifle, or a pulse rifle for that matter without never having seem one?

4. Just some personal wishes. There is only 2 choice for a sniper character, the sniper rifle, and the hunting rifle with scope. Not a lot, is it? I would've like to see a grenade launcher of some kind(M79?) in the game, because what else can you freaking do with them(the useless grenades I mean)? Some sort of non-killing weapons if the needs may arise, such as putting tranquilizer into the needler pistol ammos. You may not always have to kill to suit your purpose.

Starseeker, signing off.

"The final price of freedom, is the willingness to face the most frightening being of all, one's own self."
 
While the Gauss Rifle is sexy, and while the miniguns allow you to liquefy your enemies...they just don't belong there.

I'd love to see FO3 with a bunch of WWII and before era weaponry, just think: Having an M-14 (developed sometime in the 50s) or an STG-44 would totally up you on your opponents!

Also, I'd REALLY like it if the guys behind the original Fallout tell us all what time everything happened, and what weapons would exist.
 
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