Weapon suggestion!

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Yeah! But the Fallout 2 universe is unlikely during the '50s. You know like those CAWS,JAckhammer,P90,Enfields,G-11 and those H&K MP-9( It's a real gun! Actually is an UMP-9!! But somehow someone forgot the U letter.) didn't belong there. In fallout world the war seems started during the late '70s. Well there were still plenty of those Big computer using tape storage. Also the guns! If the fallout universe is '50s world, the guns likely available is STG-44, M-14, Lee-Enfield and some ultra-futuristic-plastic-light-fullauto-mambojambo- later known as M-16. Also during the '70s the Soviet army developed new rifle called AK-74 using 5,45mm rounds. So i think in Fallout universe, everything happen in 1977.....
 
Agree with you Rosh!

I'll agree with you. These so called "Perjuangan weapon" will never turn out in FO3. I didn't suggest that guns, just translate what H-Seeker sez. I think this H-seeker post in the wrong forum per-haps.
Anyway who needs limit break IF FALLOUT3 is a REAL TIME RPG!!!!
Anyone agree with me?
 
Sorry chaps! but you speak like a brits.
So Gunnar is your real name right?
 
It's not 1977, it's 2077, or something in there. The Sierra Army Depot has a bunch of news holotapes which give the date for the war.
And if it went down in 1977, explain the Plasma Rifles and Power Armor in the FIRST GAME, would you?
 
Well, 101 years old Gran pa!!!!! (You know, me and my friend named our FOT character after you.) Trigun is popular in my country (Are you another lunatic Indonesian??).
well as I said before, Fallout doesn't happen in 1977!!!! But some guy told me Fallout based from 50's sci-fi. Ever watch Land of the Giant? Lost In Space? or Trigun!! (you must know this one.) Look at their technology (they got bigger Cell phone than my trusty V-series.... and still use tape drive for computer.)
And plasma and laser gun also appeard in 50's sci fi....

Plus i got your picture Vash!!!!

http://www.nma-fallout.com/cgi-bin/forum/User_files/3d7c5b974d583034.jpg


And romeo says to his beloved juliet: Kulo tresno karo sampeyan....



(PS: Gunnar, where are you??? Helpppp meee!!!!)
 
Well, 101 years old Gran pa!!!!! (You know, me and my friend named our FOT character after you.) Trigun is popular in my country (Are you another lunatic Indonesian??).
well as I said before, Fallout doesn't happen in 1977!!!! But some guy told me Fallout based from 50's sci-fi. Ever watch Land of the Giant? Lost In Space? or Trigun!! (you must know this one.) Look at their technology (they got bigger Cell phone than my trusty V-series.... and still use tape drive for computer.)
And plasma and laser gun also appeard in 50's sci fi....

Plus i got your picture Vash!!!!

http://www.nma-fallout.com/cgi-bin/forum/User_files/3d7c5b974d583034.jpg


And romeo says to his beloved juliet: Kulo tresno karo sampeyan....



(PS: Gunnar, where are you??? Helpppp meee!!!!)
 
RE: *sigh*

The Brotherhood of Steel is from a military vault. They would have weapon specs and the equipment to make guns. Thats what the brotherhood did in fallout 1. They would at least be able to make sten guns. In WW2 sten gus were made everywhere, some were made in a bike shop. The Brotherhood would also be able to reload ammo from spent shells if they could make a forge and find the required chemicals to make the powder. Not likely, but possible. And weapon specs would more than likely have the names of the guns.
 
>Fallout didn't branch
>20-30 years from now,
>moron. It branched 40-50
>years AGO. Long before
>there was an M-16, in fact.

yes but!! alot of fallout fans like the weapons in fo2 that were created after that time so why get rid of that? or question that? personaly i think that there should be a mix of weapons like there is already (i think that the guns in fallout 1&2 rule) but if i was to make a suggestion as to another gun it would be to add a Le Mat (i know some people dont like old guns but i do!)
 
If you are going to build on the notion that more guns are better (yawn), than they could at least be more interesting.

Furthermore, if you are going to break with the Fallout mold and follow trends...

Then how about a gun that turns its targets into chickens.

By the end of the game, Chickens could become the dominate form of food replacing Brahmin and we might even bring back the Colonel from the dead. What the hell, I just saw this on a TV advertisement for a Playstation game.

Beware thee that would fall victims to fashion!

On second though, no, this is not a good idea. Someone might actually take this seriously.
 
RE: The horror....

Sheesh, and I thought my weapons thread was bad on second look. Really, implementing a myriad of weapons, that are technically rehashes of themselves with an additional +1 damage to maximum damage, would cause such a major hassle for the developers. If you hadn't noticed, a nuclear war has pretty much decimated the face of the world. With a population decrease, are many people going to hide out in bunkers and tinker away with guns like the Brotherhood? Naw, they would loot the closest military base or army surplus and take what they'd need. Would they essentially lug around huge uber-cannons when most of their generic enemies are wearing a leather jacket and a revolver would be just as effective? And as for the streaming development of weapons to a futuristic scale, wouldn't Colt, H&K, Fabrique Nationale, and the other heavy hitters have their factories demolished by now? It isn't like any firearms companies are alive and running to dish out your daily need of death implements. There a few exceptions, such as the Brotherhood and the Gunrunners who've retained the knowledge but they highly covet it. And why do some of you want to add tactical SWAT weapons in an RPG? Take in mind that the balance issues changes according to genre. How effective would the OICW, with its advanced targeting system and multiple firing modes, be in an overhead-third person RPG? In all the Fallouts, you're the traditional lone gunman with a few additional NPCs. In FO3, will you have a squad of men like in FOT following you around and using different weapons to be effective according to their roles? One last point: Why do you want so many different variants of the assault rifle or shotgun? In Fallout 1, mind you, I was plenty glad to exchange my generic submachine gun for the ol' generic assault rifle. But in Fallout 2, like someone else said, there was such a plethoria of shotguns I found that I ended up not using them at all because there was maybe one or two that outclassed them all. Many, many different versions of guns end up being classified as the garnishing for the main dish.

-End of Rant.

"Credo Ut Intelligam"- I believe so that I may understand.
 
TO SUM THIS ALL UP!

Fact: Fallout world is based off the 1950's world where nuclear war kept everyone isolated for a few centuries. In Fallout, simple guns that were stored from the 50's, and maybe dug up like fossils when people came out. In Fallout 2, technology progresses, ok. It's been 80 years. Their civilization and science technology isn't as well-built as ours, where we have organized teams of researchers world-wide coordinating their efforts and spreading technology when it's discovered. Fallout is more isolated, so technology development is slowed, but think about it.

The difference from 1950 to today is 50 years. The difference from Fallout 1 to Fallout 2 is 80 years. It makes sense that technology has improved alot. Alot of written records of gun technology was probably stored in vaults anyway and people can look at past research, see ideas, invent stuff maybe even faster-paced. Where did the FN FAL come from? Someone probably looked at an assault rifle, and in the 80 years from Fallout to Fallout 2, they decided to do something similar. The idea was there, it was just to be changed and improved upon. That stuff is normal. High-tech stuff like the Gauss Rifle may of been out of place but it could've been a rare discovery, like many things. We can cure polio but not a common cold. See the imbalance there? A few high-tech stuff should exist, like they do today.

Fallout 3 is probably going to take just another 80 years in the future. Hey technology is moving along. Classic Fallout was fun but it's not like we can suddenly lose it all again from Fallout 2, people will see that as a degrade. I expect to see more advanced weapons like a rail gun or something, but not accessable until late game of course and only plentiful cheap ammunination is available until late-game, like how Fallout 2 balanced it by putting all the Guass-rifles and Vindicator miniguns and pulse rifles in the Enclave so that you only had godly powers when you were up against godly powers.

Just the wise words of a great Fallout fan and veteran.
 
RE: TO SUM THIS ALL UP!

I see where you are going with this, and I think it's interesting to think of Fallout 80 years in the future, and then another unknown # of years for FO3.

But you also assume that technology follows history and that technology always improves, and this might not be true. In fact we do know that under certain conditions that technology does not always improve dramatically but might advance in revolutions and spurts, a quick jump on the technological ladder and then stability for a long time. This is true, especially, in weapons technology. Most of the small arms we use today have had a long shelf life. M-16s have been around about 40 years, the .45 Colt revolver dates back to World War 1 and is still used. The M-60 and even the SAW are minor evolutionary leaps from the machineguns used by Germany during the second world war. Only recently are we seeing a new series of weapon innovations.

But there is more. Sometimes technology rolls back. Technology requires certain other variables to evolve- education and technical skills, an economy that supports the supply and demand for improved technologies, a society capable of sustained economic development, sustained and reliable power sources, in some cases stable governance.

Even in NCR we see instability in governmance, people trying to make ends meet, chaos is just outside the gate. These are a people who are still picking up the pieces of a shattered world. If technology is coming back, it has more to do with them making the most of what they have around them or perhaps a new discovery. For example you may see more blackpowder rifles (and since these shot a very powerful musket ball at short range that could pierce armor- this would be interesting). You should see cross bows and bows, perhaps new forms of hand-to-hand weapons, but a rail gun? doubtful anything that new. At best they might be rebuilding some of the more sophisticated weapons of the time of the Great War, but little else.
 
RE: TO SUM THIS ALL UP!

After reading the Fallout bible I discovered they didn't go into shelter until like 2060. As we know about technology developments of humans on Earth during this time period, technology has rapidly increased. So it makes sense that by 2060, a plasma rifle or pulse rifle would be invented. The Sierra Army Depot was PRE-war, so all that high-tech stuff you find in there are examples of what's in the game. Then the Brotherhood took this technology and improved it.

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RE: TO SUM THIS ALL UP!

Listen now!

Pretend that when they went to the Vault, it was somewhere in the beginning of the Cold War... the whole thing is based on a parallell universe where the cold war occurs around that time (2060), BUT, the development is that of post-World war 2.
So when the development of weapons in Fo3 occurs, there should be a small derivate from the first Fallout, rather than continuing on the path that Fo2 and FOT took... Think about... The whole end in Fo2 was a big anti-climax... Gather up for the ultimate saving of the people... when you've finished most of the quests, you were forced to go to the Enclave... In FO you could choose which thing to do... you could ending up being a mutant... Or blow the master AND the military base apart, in different order... The weapons on the other hand, was clearly enough in FO... List a summarize of wanted weapons in a FOT2 thread instead, they will be more wanted there.
Right me if I'm wrong, but at most, the development of weapons should be that of post-Cold war, BUT, with a war that actually broke out. And a total rareity of powered up weapon... the old military base had a little to much hi-tech for my liking actually... better if they would have been armed with a Garand or something (if it had been in the game) named military rifle or something the like... and using a why not 7.62 round... it doesn't have to be really historically correct, just go along the time of the game (1950 or so...)
Once again, right me if I'm wrong..
 
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