What could've replaced intelligent deathclaws

Discussion in 'General Fallout Discussion' started by Ugly Kid, Dec 14, 2020.

  1. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign ⛧卐⛧ Staff Member Moderator [REDACTED]

    Apr 1, 2005
    I hate how everyone makes Avellone out to be the end all be all of Fallout lore.
     
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  2. Ugly Kid

    Ugly Kid Still Mildly Glowing

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    May 9, 2018
    To clarify I am a big fan of his work but...

    Like yeah, he wrote majority of Fallout 2, Van Buren, New Vegas DLCs, and a large portion of the main game... but he himself said Tim Cain is the god of Fallout. And besides there were so many other writers for the classics and New Vegas. He didn't even work on the first game. So while I respect his opinions I don't see everything in the Fallout Bible as canon.
     
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  3. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign ⛧卐⛧ Staff Member Moderator [REDACTED]

    Apr 1, 2005
    I feel the same. Hairy Deathclaws get way too much shit too considering how dumb a lot of easter eggs are in Fallout to begin with. I want hairy deathclaws in a Bethesda game then I will buy it.
     
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  4. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Following the path of Tagaziel I see.
     
  5. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign ⛧卐⛧ Staff Member Moderator [REDACTED]

    Apr 1, 2005
    Nah he bought it to play with Brother None and Sander.
     
  6. william dempsey

    william dempsey Veteran of the psychic wars. [REDACTED]

    Jan 23, 2022
    I don't. Sometimes the answers seem to be made up on the fly. I saw Centaurs were just brushed over in the latest ' Bible ' part 2. No mention of floaters, so I guess they developed from those floaty turds some people do. The Centaurs in FO3 were a joke, just lobbed in for the sake of it. If you don't want to waste ammo just get off.

    I got told he was very generous that Chris Have a loan guy.
     
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  7. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign ⛧卐⛧ Staff Member Moderator [REDACTED]

    Apr 1, 2005
    MCA probably had one of his con whores write all the lore while he was painting their toes.
     
  8. Iprovidelittlepianos

    Iprovidelittlepianos Vault Dweller

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    May 12, 2020
    The Fallout Bible is useful for insight into what the developers were thinking while developing the first two games, but not so much as a literal Bible of Fallout lore.
     
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  9. william dempsey

    william dempsey Veteran of the psychic wars. [REDACTED]

    Jan 23, 2022
    You are so irreverent, toe painting and hairy deathclaws lol.

    Well yeah. I don't take it all too seriously, after all, It's only a game.
     
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  10. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign ⛧卐⛧ Staff Member Moderator [REDACTED]

    Apr 1, 2005
    That word describes me well I guess. Drop by Redacted if you are bored we are planning a stakeout.
     
  11. william dempsey

    william dempsey Veteran of the psychic wars. [REDACTED]

    Jan 23, 2022
    I was going to do a pic. Apprentice lol, cheeky fuckers.
     
  12. Hardboiled Android

    Hardboiled Android Vault Senior Citizen

    Jun 7, 2015
    I think I'm in a middle-ground camp compared ot a lot of people when it come to talking deathclaws. I really liked them in Fallout 2 (and for that matter I liked the talking molerats, though wish a bit mroe had been done with them). They're weird but not too weird, they feel logical to me, they have interesting characters. It's certainly not a concept that would be out of place in a 50s B-movie. I think it's a cool idea.

    But what I do not like is the idea of them expanding into the wider world. This would just feel a faint bit ridiculous to me, to have these talking chameleons integrated into polite society, and would just make everything they touch feel unserious. And if they continue, it starts to verge into furry territory.

    I also really like the idea of one offs in the Fallout world - it's such an expansive world where so much insane shit has happened pre and post War that there are a lot of things localized to only one region or location, that end up being dead ends, shadows and legends that exist for only a moment before passing into folklore. I think that's really neat. Plus it adds an additional twinge of tragedy to them.

    But take what I say with a grain of salt, because I also like the talking molerats in Klamath and Gecko. My main problem with them is that they didn't do enough with them.
     
  13. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign ⛧卐⛧ Staff Member Moderator [REDACTED]

    Apr 1, 2005
     
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  14. Ugly Kid

    Ugly Kid Still Mildly Glowing

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    May 9, 2018
    I do like the idea of zaney things flashing for a moment then becoming folklore but I don't see why we can't have that and still have talking deathclaws here and there. I also don't want them to be integrated fully into society though. I'd just want around a dozen colonies within or around the Core Region, I'd say that's fair.
     
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  15. Ugly Kid

    Ugly Kid Still Mildly Glowing

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    May 9, 2018
    What mod is that?
     
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  16. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign ⛧卐⛧ Staff Member Moderator [REDACTED]

    Apr 1, 2005
    Not sure.
     
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  17. Hardboiled Android

    Hardboiled Android Vault Senior Citizen

    Jun 7, 2015
    Well if they are a real, true people - one with a real history that is able to socially reproduce their way of life - then in some measure they must cease to be this oddball flash in the pan, they become a people, they become a part of history.

    Moreover, if they become a permanent fixture, the "Wow" factor sort of wears off, with just leaves us with the silliness. And I don't think they would really add much to the setting, other than "Remember talking deathclaws??"

    Finally, from a lore perspective, Talking Deathclaws were explicitly created with FEV, and things created with FEV really should be sterile.
     
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  18. Kalin

    Kalin First time out of the vault

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    Oct 15, 2022
    Thread reminds me why I rarely play Fallout 2.
     
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  19. Risewild

    Risewild Antediluvian as Feck
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    Jun 14, 2014
    Bringing Life To The Mojave Redux
     
  20. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Carbon Dated and Proud

    Nov 26, 2007
    I know from experience what it's like to have to conform a mesh to an existing game skeleton. Is that what they did?
     
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