When you think of the Apocalypse...

Kotario said:
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Fist of the North Star is from the same period of AKIRA (The end of 80's where nuclear war appeared to be imminent with the social collapse of USSR) is indeed one of the best post-apocalyptic animes. Great setting, Brutal fights in the wasteland and doomed cities which haunts us, ever remembering how easy is to destroy something that takes so many decades, sometimes centuries to build.
 
i would probably have to think about bleakness. Like the sahara with the sun burning your back. And it would probably be a punks favorite dream of finally reaching anarchy. No government. Itll be like the early years of civilisation, people will group together. Cities forever destroyed. Like living in a shithole that you cannot escape. Thats how it would be.
 
alec said:
Oil depletion -> energy crisis -> anarchy, wars for resources, famine, thurst, sickness, diseases, huge death toll -> back to the stone age for the "lucky" few

These events will undoubtedly coincide with natural disasters due to global warming, the rise of the sea level being to worst one. And I don't doubt for one minute that some retards will eventually use nuclear missiles during the wars for resources (oil, water, land), but they will not really change the general outcome: billions of people will die, be it from radiation or strictly natural causes, and there's nothing you or anyone else can do about it. I'm pretty sure, though, that most people will die from stupid stuff like diarrhea or the flu. No big or breathtaking stuff. You know, kinda sorta as T.S. Elliot put it:

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

The big end will of course be the death of our sun, 4 billion years from now. By then, though, the human race and all it ever stood for will be a memory no one remembers.

It's a relative thing, though: somehow we will always be here as a stream of light travelling the universe. Apocalypse or no apocalypse.

yes to quote wat u said about the sun swallowing up our universe yes that is true. But probably by then we would have learned to adapt and colonize other planets in different galaxies. Ever thought about that? and sorry to double post
 
Cirius said:
yes to quote wat u said about the sun swallowing up our universe yes that is true. But probably by then we would have learned to adapt and colonize other planets in different galaxies. Ever thought about that? and sorry to double post
If you're sorry for double posting, why did you do it? It's real easy: use the edit button. Transgressing while knowing you're wrong is rather poor form.

As for the Apocalypse, when I think about it, I think about me dying. And because I'd be dead, I don't really care what would happen next.
 
your one sad little man, to say something like that. Dont u ever belive in like life after an Apocalypse
 
Cirius said:
your one sad little man, to say something like that.
Thanks man, I love you too.

Dont u ever belive in like life after an Apocalypse
Considering that the definition of the Apocalypse is the end of human life, no.
 
Cirius said:
yes to quote wat u said about the sun swallowing up our universe yes that is true. But probably by then we would have learned to adapt and colonize other planets in different galaxies. Ever thought about that? and sorry to double post
Nowhere did I say that the Sun is going to swallow our universe, because that is not going to happen. The Sun is going to seriously harm a part of our solar system eventually, most certainly the inner planets and perhaps Earth as well, eating Mercury and Venus in the process - but the universe? Nah, the Sun is tad too small for that, I reckon. :wink:
As for humanity colonizing other planets: well, I seriously doubt that will ever happen. In fact: I'm certain that it won't. And I'm glad it won't. Humans have completely and utterly messed up this sad and lonesome planet in less than 200 years, polluting it and intoxicating it in a irreversible way, so let's pray to God (whom I don't even believe in, go figure) that we will never get our hands on another planet so we can fuck it up as well.
As for why I am certain that we will not colonize other planets?
Well, let's see: how long have we been trying to leave this planet now? 40 years or so? That's a long, long time, you know. And where has that gotten us? Some duders jumped around on the Moon. Wow. Forgive me for not being utterly and completely impressed. Apart from that we managed to send some metal crap (because that's what it looks like most of the time, no neat and stylish space vehicles for us, oh no, but just boxes, more or less looking like compressed cars, you know: Césars), anyway, we've managed to send these metal contraptions to the "far" regions of our solar systems and that has taken years and years and years of time. Don't get me wrong: I think that's a swell achievement, but it's an achievement not unlike the invention of the wheel: it'll take humanity another 25,000 years or so before they'll be building bikes with those wheels and guess what we need for interstellar travel? The newest BMW. You follow me?
Anyway: that is not going to happen. Ever. Earth doesn't have enough resources to support our technological society much longer. I think it is perhaps possible to go interstellar, but not with a homebase the likes of Earth. Or the Moon. Or Mars. Or whatever. Too small and too limited. Plus: inhabited by a species that has more emotions than common sense and is burdened with an extremely weak, vulnerable and aging body and a lifespan which is just one big joke. Not good that. Plus: you have to admit that the universe is a big friggin' thing, people. We don't even have a complete map of our own solar sytem yet, for crying out loud (Pluto and beyond), so how on Earth do you think we will ever find a planet that can support human life elsewhere in the universe? It's ridiculous to believe in that kind of bullshit.
Oh yes, we have set foot on other planets, colonized what seemed like uninhabitable chunks of stone and fought civilizations almost superior to ours - but that was in Hollywood studios and in games. We will never go any further than that.

Thank God.
 
alec said:
it'll take humanity another 25,000 years or so before they'll be building bikes with those wheels...
Cause, it wasn't exactly profitable for the inventor to start to make those bikes cause they didn't know that much about the materials and their properties, and he had to survive. Today it's all about material technics, and the last 10 000 years it has been that, from the stick and stone, to the machine guns, tanks, aircrafts and A-bombs(these were in the 1950s, and I won't be telling you the nows, cause we don't know what's hidden from the public eyes). Before that it was about the evolution of the species, which toke more time cause they had to be able to adapt to the environments, and most didn't. Knowing that the 99.99% of the populations are dead, helps quite a lot, in this regard.
alec said:
We don't even have a complete map of our own solar sytem yet...
And Christopher Columbus knew exactly were to go, when he first went to China. :D
 
alec said:
ramble ramble ramble

Mmmyeah.

On the other hand, a century ago, 60km/h in a train was considered the pinnacle of human technological achievement, and Europe had birth/death ratios comparable to Rwanda.
 
Wooz said:
On the other hand, a century ago, 60km/h in a train was considered the pinnacle of human technological achievement, and Europe had birth/death ratios comparable to Rwanda.
Since then we know what the energy spectrum looks like: it goes from burning wood and dried up leaves to nuclear energy, and that's it. There is no exotic form of energy available, no harnassing blackhole warp power gizmo's out there. Burning insanely huge amounts of fossil fuels is the only thing we can use to win from gravity and leave earth because it's all there is. And don't let them fool you into believing there is something else.
 
True, in the same way people thought that coal-produced steam was the only possible direct application of Science! into transportation.

Burning insanely huge amounts of fossil fuels is the only thing we can use to win from gravity and leave earth because it's all there is.

I don't know. Until you become omniscient, you don't know either, dude. To be frank, I don't quite grasp your absolute, declarative certainty on the matter, nor what you base your statement on.
 
Wooz said:
I don't know. Until you become omniscient, you don't know either, dude. To be frank, I don't quite grasp your absolute, declarative certainty on the matter, nor what you base your statement on.
Science. These things are known, Wooz. Although a bunch of pseudo-scientists, Star Trek-fans and other idiots keep claiming that there is more between heaven and earth than meets the eye, one can safely assume that the whole spectrum of energy is well-known to us, and it ranges - as I said before - from burning a speck of dust to the big nuclear plants in the sky (stars).
"Oh," I can hear you say, "but there are these things in the sky called blackholes and these are like über to normal stars, they're like specks of dust with so much gravitational force, they would suck your eyes right out of their sockets and send them into another dimension."
Well, so what? You really think we can harnass energy like that on Earth? Hey, maybe in a 100 years or so, we'll all have pocket blackholes (made in China) with which we can light our cigarettes, fuel our cars and travel backwards and forwards in time.
Thing is: the energy spectrum is well-known to us just like the colour spectrum is well-known to us. And we'll have to do with what we have and that's the end of that.

One thing that astounds me even more than the sad fact that a whole bunch of so-called modern and often educated people are apparently still stupid enough to believe in a non-existing higher being which they like to call God or Allah or Bubba or whatever, is humankind's undying faith in science. Science will save us all. "You polluted that ocean? Don't worry: science will eventually discover or invent something to solve that problem." "Fossil fuels are getting scarce? Oh, forget about it, soon we'll be driving on water and hydrogen." The belief in (a) God as our saviour and the faith in science as a saviour are serious flaws in our design. They are inherent weaknesses that will eventually finish us off. Trust me.
 
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