Where's Ross Perot when we need him?

Sander said:
Bah. What a sucky article. It focuses on 'illegal aliens are costing us money', which is a rather obvious point of view, but doesn't anywhere give any sources for its facts. So if you check the facts you'll notice that Mexico's GDP per capita is actually the 85th in the world, that's not anywhere near the 5th place.

True, that is a good point, but they were probably going by different considerations, probably by industry (and the wetback industry does bring in a lot of money for Mexico). As other parts of that site have mentioned, why do the US taxpayers have to pay for Mexico's corruption?

Regarding the Lou Dobbs' citing, here's an interesting article regarding that. Although it is obviously not a neutral article either, it does point out that, for instance, that Lou Dobbs' 33% of people in prison are illegal immigrants was more or less made up.

I know, he's a funny guy like that, but I have gotten other numbers, including a 35% increase. This I believe, because if you also take a look at this page, it points out that with Mexico and some US lawmakers paving the way, there are a shitload more illegals in the US than people realize. This is starting from 2004 and continuing on, and the article cites the reasons why. And currently, they are starting to fill up the prisons as they turn to crime because they can't even scalp jobs away from the wetbacks that came before them.

Dobbs, surprisingly enough, probably didn't pull the number from his ass as many sites cite the Federal Bureau of Prisons own statistics as starting around 30% and going to the aforementioned 35% Federal pop number.

That said, illegal aliens are assholes, simply because they can do it legally. I just can't stand bad facts.

I agree, they should definitely fill in a lot more info. Here's a good article detailing a lot about political garbage and how some police have their hands tied from deporting people based upon illegal status, even if said people are murdering gang members.

It is so sad to see the lawmakers and law enforcers sell out the real citizens of the US for their own personal profit. It might stop when they get a clue, but by that time there probably wouldn't be much left of the country, begging the question of what kind of money they were trying to screw their own people for when it leads to the destruction of their own economy and country - unless they already Swissed it.
 
I agree Kharn, that these budget problems are huge, though I disagree with Rosh that the problem is mostly one of immigrants, or even illegal immigrants which is primarily a local problem due in large part to bad federal policies. Rather, I think the problem is one of policy.

The current administration has been spending heavily, perhaps to get us out of economic decline or as payback to political allies. But the republican administrations have been reluctant to tax, especially the wealthier populations of the country. At the same time spending has gone to corporate welfare while cuts have been given to the poorest classes.

Clinton managed fiscal responsibility by increasing taxes and thereby creating more confidence in the economy, especially by paying down the debt.

The Republican agenda has been based on a notion of giving tax breaks to the wealthy, cutting government costs in welfare and ideally spurring on the economy. To some extent that makes sense. Lower taxes leads to more investable capital, leading to more future returns. This is Mancur Olson's Prosperity and Power book. The less the 'stationary bandit' (government) takes, the more the people can reinvest in their own livelihoods to create more individual surplus, leading to more growth.

Unfortunately, at the same time this has been happening economic power has become increasingly held in the hands of a few to the detriment of the many. These few have an interest in sustaining and defending class privilege over the rest, and are happy playing divide and conquer over the rest of us. So poor americans fight with poor immigrants who are also fightting with poor minorities over a declining share of the welfare redistribution. Meanwhile, tax breaks to the wealthy is another for of income distribution as the tax burden falls increasingly to poor and middle classes (and the middle class sees itself threatened from its privilege by the poor - minorities and immigrants).

This is bad politics.

So you are right. The US pays more per capita for private medical plans than Europeans pay for their public plans. Furthermore the Europeans are doing more to preserve and update their energy infrastructure than the US by developing alternative energy sources- meanwhile one big hurricane in the South sends shocks through the US energy infrastructure (and profits to the oil companies). That said, we both seem to be having the same problem with immigration these days as native borns look to immigrants as a threat, not realizing that these folks are going to be the labor force of the next generation as the current greys itself into the grave.

As the article points out- fiscal responsibility makes for bad politics. No one wants to know that taxes are going up. Hell I was against Clinton when he said he would raise taxes. No one likes the idea of cutting back. It can be done even with a responsible governor. Virginia's Mark Warner is a very popular governor in part because shown responsibility in dealing with the state's budget problems.

But paying down the deficit has less political punch at the pools than getting a nice tax break.

What will happen?

Bush may begin to change policies, or may just lame duck himself into irrelevancy because his administration is both corrupt and ineffective. Either way the Republicans have to win the next election and Bush is painfully unpopular. So they will have to start becoming fiscally more conservative.

Democrats may grow some balls and start being more serious about stalling tax cuts.

The administration will probably pull us out of Iraq under barrage of calls for troop pullouts and claim that the job was done (again) when the Iraqi army is large enough to do the job itself (regardless if whether civil war occurs there or not). Hopefully the Iraqi's will be able to wise up and form a stable political order, but if not- there is always Iran. Overall, if Iraq turns to civil war it's a failure, if Iraq's 'liberation' doesn't secure stable oil, it's a disaster. But it's unlikely that the current administration will admit it.

What leviathan gives, leviathan can take away. Therefore the next administration will probably have to raise taxes, including on the wealthiest classes. I doubt the 'death tax' will be repealed, and if it does- it's a problem since states also rely on 'estate taxes'. States will probably also have to raise local income taxes (which is part of the immigration problem as the costs are paid locally).

This is not a big surprise. Bush's dad inherited the mess left over from Reagan's economic policy and raised taxes (and lost the election). Clinton had to raise taxes even more- and the Democrats lost the Congress but not the White House. The next president will probably raise taxes- and thus the economy will seem more stable.

I also see the US reduce military spending. TO some extent Rumsfeld has been trying to do this, but he also has a war to deal with. The next administration will probably have to cut back on defense spending. Thank God. Defense spending is largely a waste of money anyway.
 
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