Why did Vault-Tec put so many Vaults right outside Vegas.

CT Phipps said:
Well it was made, it was never released. That's a distinction that matters.
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Going off topic a bit, if you have any unreleased stuff for any of your books, are they canon?

CT Phipps said:
Ah yes, the magical idea where released versus author intent doesn't matter.

:p
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It's not canon. The authors themselves said it's not canon. Bethesda could very well change that one day (let's hope not) but until then the Fallout Bible and Van Buren are not canon. Bits of Van Buren were used for New Vegas, those are canon but only as we see in New Vegas. Everything else such as the space plan and the station AI (or whatever it is) aren't.
 
As for 'why Vegas', Vault Tec didn't, Obsidian did; due to the constraints of the map. Even extrapolating and enlarging NV to pre-war LV, the city is much, much smaller than OTL LV now. It should be nothing more than a gambing strip and supporting infrastructure; and I daresay doesn't deserve a vault to begin with. Alaska*, California, Oregon and Washington would consume most of the vaults, then a jump over to the East Coast, and then shit-outta-luck for the interior for the most part, with maybe two vaults per Commonwealth Capital or so.

House may had been a techno-giant but would that automatically grant a vault or five in his region? I doubt it.
 
Danuis said:
As for 'why Vegas', Vault Tec didn't, Obsidian did; due to the constraints of the map. Even extrapolating and enlarging NV to pre-war LV, the city is much, much smaller than OTL LV now. It should be nothing more than a gambing strip and supporting infrastructure; and I daresay doesn't deserve a vault to begin with. Alaska*, California, Oregon and Washington would consume most of the vaults, then a jump over to the East Coast, and then shit-outta-luck for the interior for the most part, with maybe two vaults per Commonwealth Capital or so.

House may had been a techno-giant but would that automatically grant a vault or five in his region? I doubt it.
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The Vaults aren't prestige works.

Why not in the desert where there's large space to tear up the ground and build things? That's why they built the United States nuclear waste disposal facility there.
 
CT Phipps said:
The Vaults aren't prestige works.

Why not in the desert where there's large space to tear up the ground and build things? That's why they built the United States nuclear waste disposal facility there.
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Are you suggesting coconuts migrate mass numbers of people looking to survive a possible nuclear war live in nuclear waste disposal facilities? Or have I misinterpreted?

The original post was questioning why there are so many Vaults when the surrounding population size likely doesn't warrant it. Vault 22 I can understand since it's more isolated than most other Vaults, Vault 11 I still maintain could have held people from Boulder City and surrounding areas, Vault 21 could have held enough people from Vegas and 34 could have been for military and their families. Lot of guessing I know, but really Vault 3 and 19 could have been left out and even 34 could have been alluded to as a far away Vault in Arizona rather than being in Vegas.


EDIT: Adding to Vault 22, it had support from Big MT and was planned as a special research Vault.
 
Prone Squanderer said:
Are you suggesting coconuts migrate mass numbers of people looking to survive a possible nuclear war live in nuclear waste disposal facilities? Or have I misinterpreted?
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I'm pointing out in real life, underground government facilities are usually built in....Nevada.
 
CT Phipps said:
I'm pointing out in real life, underground government facilities are usually built in....Nevada.
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Ok?

The government in Fallout commissioned Vault-Tec to build Vaults, yes, but that doesn't really justify building a large number of them bunched together in a place where a population wouldn't be as high as other cities, say D.C. or Chicago. It's really stretching it having numerous Vaults built so close together.
 
Prone Squanderer said:
Ok?

The government in Fallout commissioned Vault-Tec to build Vaults, yes, but that doesn't really justify building a large number of them bunched together in a place where a population wouldn't be as high as other cities, say D.C. or Chicago. It's really stretching it having numerous Vaults built so close together.
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But...the Vaults were never meant to help anyone. There was never enough to help the actual survivors, not even close. The Vaults are social experiments.

So, why wouldn't they be built in a place where you can actually build them easily? The ones in California weren't built in Los Angeles. The Vault there wasn't a "real" Vault, it was a stage display they used to rebuild the Boneyard.

The other Vaults were all built out in the country.
 
CT Phipps said:
But...the Vaults were never meant to help anyone. There was never enough to help the actual survivors, not even close. The Vaults are social experiments.

So, why wouldn't they be built in a place where you can actually build them easily? The ones in California weren't built in Los Angeles. The Vault there wasn't a "real" Vault, it was a stage display they used to rebuild the Boneyard.

The other Vaults were all built out in the country.
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Yes...I'm aware that most were experiments. Doesn't justify building so many of them so close together though for a place that isn't as densely populated.
 
Prone Squanderer said:
Yes...I'm aware that most were experiments. Doesn't justify building so many of them so close together though for a place that isn't as densely populated.
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The Vaults have only 1000 residents.

I'm trying to understand the logic of why you should build them in a densely populated area.

Wouldn't it be far easier in a rural area?

Densely populated areas would be much harder to build under and control.
 
CT Phipps said:
The Vaults have only 1000 residents.

I'm trying to understand the logic of why you should build them in a densely populated area.

Wouldn't it be far easier in a rural area?

Densely populated areas would be much harder to build under and control.
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I never said they should be built in a densely populated area, I'm saying I don't think so many should be built in the same region so close together.
 
No one said anything about putting them in the bigger cities, we're not putting them downtown. They've all been in the Suburbs save Vault 3, 12, and Vault 21. We're just putting them on a logical spread. LV has around 6 vaults in or around it in the Mojave. Boston has 6 (1 incomplete), Maine 1 (incomplete), DC has 6. LA has...0, with 1 in Bakersfield and 2 beyond that. Northern Nevada/California has 1. Denver has 1 (ish).

In the case of NV, one vault would had sufficed, one huge dungeon-vault than a myriad of vaults, IMO, both in gameplay and story terms.
 
Well given how zany the experiments the Vaults in the Mojave Wasteland hosted (34 had a full-blown arsenal for its citizens, 19 paranoia for the Reds/Blues, 22 a series of botanical experiments that went horribly wrong, 21 had problems solved with gambling, 11 had a democratically elected overseer who oversaw the annual "Vault Sacrifice"), Vault-Tec's development in the Mojave was more on treating the Vegas residents like guinea pigs and less like humans seeking refuge in an elaborate bomb shelter.
 
The part that gets me is that they couldn't find more than a few thousand people loyal enough to be treated as fellow Americans. Like really, you can only trust a single oil rig's worth of your own people?
 
NMLevesque said:
The part that gets me is that they couldn't find more than a few thousand people loyal enough to be treated as fellow Americans. Like really, you can only trust a single oil rig's worth of your own people?
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It's why I do like the space theory. I get the impression everyone was ready to take off but the people they were going to take with them didn't go.
 
This probably isn't the most sensible theory in comparison to what has been said thus far, but perhaps Mr. House could've influenced things just a smidge? Given the fact that he was doing quite a bit of planning for the coming nuclear war beforehand, is it too farfetched to consider the possibility of a little RobCo money persuading some higher-ups to put a few extra shelters down around Vegas?
 
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