Why do you guys hate f4 and 76? Here is a list of things 4 and 76 does better than 1,2 and NV.

Gizmojunk said:
Not really—and not the point. The technology only facilitates a designer. It's still up to them to create the gameplay, and nothing about FO3 or 4 is of the Fallout series' gameplay; in many cases it's the polar opposite. There are better games than FO3 made for an 8088; technology is not the limitation. FO3 and 4 are evolutions upon TES Oblivion; re-skinned using cherry picked aspects (both misconstrued, and misapplied) of the Fallout IP. It's truly a shame what they did to it. :( I hold it as par with the defacement that the those awful Chapman brothers did to that set of Goya prints. (IMO those two should be jailed for that.)

If you don't understand why it's wrong, then think of Bethesda as having intentionally made a sugar free, non-fat, non-dairy desert, and called it ice cream—for people who have no idea what ice cream is... but who like the name, the idea, and the decadent reputation of it. (And as far as they're concerned, it's great!)
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Wow sweetie pie, you made really bad arguments here. First of all fo 3 and 4 didn't change shit, they made the systems better. Gameplay, graphics and sexy women are 3 concepts that make around 60% of your gaming session enjoyable. If you suck at those (like fallout 1,2 and NV) then even if the story and the lore and the atmosphere and all that other shite is 10/10, you just can't make most people happy, which is why 4 and 76 is much better according to most people.
 
MELON_FUCKER34 said:
Wow sweetie pie, you made really bad arguments here.
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I never do that. ;)
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First of all fo 3 and 4 didn't change shit,
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Prove it.

...they made the systems better.
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They defeated the point of most them; essentially substituting them with replacement mechanics that don't do the same thing. SPECIAL, Traits, and Perks were quite integrated, but in the Bethesda titles they are fairly meaningless, no longer having a strong effect on—on anything really. See Bethesda is utterly against the core tenets of the series in almost every way; they freely admit this.

Gameplay, graphics and sexy women are 3 concepts that make around 60% of your gaming session enjoyable. If you suck at those (like fallout 1,2 and NV) then even if the story and the lore and the atmosphere and all that other shite is 10/10, you just can't make most people happy, which is why 4 and 76 is much better according to most people.
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No argument that that's why they ruined the IP; basically they did the food equivalent of reformulating Vegemite as Nutella—for people who would never enjoy Vegemite. They took a complex flavor and reduced it to a mere sugar spread. Your argument is that this could somehow make it better—by making it entirely different than the original, from which its reputation was earned, and never delivered upon in the Bethesda sequels.

See FO3 offers nothing but a few simple names picked from the original—and the TES gameplay loop. So, not the gameplay, not the atmosphere, not the humor, not the writing, certainly not living with consequences of one's actions, and no sense to the narrative.

FO4 is scarcely a sequel to even FO3...which was itself but a poor spin-off title to Fallout 2.
 
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Because Bethesda don't and don't want to understand what made Fallout Fallout, now it fell out into the shitter.
 
Eumesmopo said:
Average Bethesda fan: Install 42069 coomer mods from nexus and calls the resulting abomination a good game.
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You don't understand. Pussy is literally everything in this world. If pussy didn't exist everyone would kill themselves. So if you got the power of pussy (sexier women and sex mods) then you win because pussy >>>>>> everything.
Dicks, while not as powerful as pussies, are also very powerful and guess what? Fallout 4 has gay ass mods ass well!!!
So yeah there is boobs and ass in fallout 4 which makes it a better game I think.
 
MELON_FUCKER34 said:
You don't understand. Pussy is literally everything in this world. If pussy didn't exist everyone would kill themselves. So if you got the power of pussy (sexier women and sex mods) then you win because pussy >>>>>> everything.
Dicks, while not as powerful as pussies, are also very powerful and guess what? Fallout 4 has gay ass mods ass well!!!
So yeah there is boobs and ass in fallout 4 which makes it a better game I think.
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Does that include Deathclaw pussy?
 
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Gizmojunk said:
See FO3 offers nothing but a few simple names picked from the original—and the TES gameplay loop. So, not the gameplay, not the atmosphere, not the humor, not the writing, certainly not living with consequences of one's actions, and no sense to the narrative.

FO4 is scarcely a sequel to even FO3...which was itself but a poor spin-off title to Fallout 2.
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Well, that's your opinion sir, but I would argue f3 has some amazing sidequests like the one where you win the cumshot challenge.
 
MELON_FUCKER34 said:
...but I would argue f3 has some amazing sidequests.
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Since when do sidequests —or even main quests— trump gameplay? I don't see the point, or merit here. The Witcher, Arx Fatalis, and even Oblivion have interesting side quests, but that doesn't make them improved Fallout games; any more than it would for FO3... even if it had had better quests overall than both of the original games. The series' gameplay is absent all Fallout titles past the first two.

Combat-wise though, Fallout:Tactics arguably has better combat than the first two if (and only if) switched away from its unfortunate default combat mode of so-called continuous turn; back to the classic turn based mode. There it features some actual gameplay improvements, built upon the foundation of the first two's combat mechanics.

I was quite disappointed that Bethesda did not use Fallout:Tactics' improved turn based mode as the basis for combat in FO3. So much lost potential on their part.
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From reading the above I realise Gizmo has a vegemite fetish and ' Melon fucker ' longs for pussy, not real pussy, porno game pussy.

Real women love you to dip your todger into marmite™. When cucking your sock they say " Yum,,,, tastes like you did my arsehole first.
 
I haven't eaten Vegemite in years; however it's a perfect analogy for a product that has a distinct following who appreciate it for the very qualities that cause most people to revile it.

Imagining that KRAFT sold it to an upstart company with internal plans to —improve— it by effectively making it something else, intended for an entirely unrelated (but larger) market. Destroying it for the original market does strike a parallel with what happened with Interplay unconscionably trusting the Fallout IP to Bethesda... and predictably what crap they made of it.

Vegemite and Nutella look superficially identical. They taste nothing (at all) alike or even similar.
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Bethesda HAS made a Nutella style product of Fallout, and it kept the Vegemite like IP name for brand recognition and reputation sake only.

IE: a product that would sell to the masses, but callously and deliberately would make the original fans sick with disgust; offering nothing of the namesake—except the name itself.

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Yeah, I've seen you make the Vegemite/Nutella/'StrawbVegemite' analogy before.

Another would be your favourite OG meal. A large steak braised gently in Guinness with chips/fries.

The restaurant has new owners who have overhauled the menu. Your favourite meal has been turned into
Steak in Teriyaki with added miso sprinkled with nasturtium petals and served with huge lumps of fried polenta.
The meat content is poor quality and smaller.
Whilst eating you are hassled to add to the meal with various portions of flavour enhanced junk foods.
 
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