Bethesda has a vendetta against fallout lore ? with the New fallout 4 DLC we have " Paint jobs " for T-51, all of them commercialized versions; VIM pop, Abraxo Cleaner and Sugar bombs ? Its really disgusting to see these additions. The other thing that heavily irks me is all the retcons to the lore; Ferals, Cats ( why was this retcon even necessary?), T-60 falling out of the sky and X-01 ?? Its really hard to watch people try to justify a lot of this shit. (Sorry for the rant - just needed to get at least a little of what bugs me off my chest.)
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They dont have a vendetta against the lore, that would require more than the bare minimum effort when they wrote fallout 4. They just dont care about it enough to put any research in and to make sure what they're creating fits with pre-established lore, they just think "Oh this is fallout-y enough in it goes. New version of fallout means new version of power armour. Jets a drug, so into the pre-war drug vault it goes" and so on.
Tom Bishop
It Wandered In From the Wastes
I don't mind the inclusion of the cats. It's entirely possible that they were only hunted to extinction on the west coast, while continuing to thrive on the east coast. Besides, cats are great.
You'd think with a document like the "Fallout Bible" keeping Canon would be simple...
Irwin John Finster
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Well Mr. Hines' response to Kid in the Fridge was "writers are allowed to have fun" which seems to mean they throw in whatever stupid idea comes in their head and shrug their shoulders and call it a day.
If the developers can't take the game seriously why would Fallout fans?
Deeves
Well, he went a little funny in the head . . .
It's a classic case of wanting to have your cake and eat it too. They don't want to be, like, constrained in your lore box, man. They want to be able to break loose and do whatever they want. Yet, they also want the brand recognition of Fallout for mass market success.
Like, it's okay to experiment. It's okay to fail. That's how a medium is able to progress. But don't do it with someone else's creative works. Use your own. That's why Left 4 Dead is it's own identity and Valve didn't make HL Ep.2 zombie horde mode co-op with a 4k Gordon Freeman re-skin job. It'd be jarring and out of message with the series it would kind of piss more than a couple fans off.
Like, it's okay to experiment. It's okay to fail. That's how a medium is able to progress. But don't do it with someone else's creative works. Use your own. That's why Left 4 Dead is it's own identity and Valve didn't make HL Ep.2 zombie horde mode co-op with a 4k Gordon Freeman re-skin job. It'd be jarring and out of message with the series it would kind of piss more than a couple fans off.
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Not when bethesda reaches an all new record in "how far can we stick our heads up our own ass?" and declares it not canon anymore.
Knight In Leather Armor
Badger Nutsack
They don't have a vendetta, they just don't care. Their fan base doesn't care either. They made Fallout 3, a butchered mess according to lore, but did the majority of the fan base care? No. They enjoyed killing random people and blowing up cities, they didn't care about lore. So why should Bethesda care if their fan base doesn't care?
I mean they should if they had any integrity whatsoever but they don't. Fallout 5 will probably be on the West Coast with all previous lore rewritten and the Enclave will probably be alive somehow. The fan base won't care because they consider anything fallout not made by Bethesda as non-existent or shitstains. "I wouldn't know, as I don't touch those filthy non-Bethesda Fallouts"-Random User on Bethesda.net
I mean they should if they had any integrity whatsoever but they don't. Fallout 5 will probably be on the West Coast with all previous lore rewritten and the Enclave will probably be alive somehow. The fan base won't care because they consider anything fallout not made by Bethesda as non-existent or shitstains. "I wouldn't know, as I don't touch those filthy non-Bethesda Fallouts"-Random User on Bethesda.net
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Zyax
Salt Powered Robot
In no way does this debunk or refute your entire point, but if memory serves there is definitely a cat in Fallout 2 if I'm not mistaken, which would simply mean that House was wrong.
RangerBoo
Resident Schizo Poster
I think I know what you are talking about. Your talking about Stacy correct?: http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Stacy_(Fallout_2)
If memory serves she stated that many cats after the war were used as food since they were easy to prey on and that hers was killed for that purpose. Which is why you don't see any cats in the West Coast. Although to be fair I don't mind cats being retconed. To me it seemed kinda silly to have cats extinct while dogs are still around. Cats are tough little guys. I'm sure that at lest there would still be cats around in some parts of the wastes.
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It doesn't show a cat, it is a story that a woman named Stacy tells us if we buy her a drink. She explains that cats were being eaten by wastelanders. Unfortunately, her mother also ate her cat.
Which is the reason cats got extinct, people and other predators kept eating them.
To be honest I have no problem with cats not being extinct, if people survived in vaults, cats could have too (cats breed much faster than humans too) for example.
EDIT: RangerBoo beat me to it, this slow computer makes it so it takes ages to type and post -_-'
R.Graves
Confirmed Retard
There's also the fact the fallout 2s world is still relatively isolated. And one person's story in a bar can't account for the area covered in fo2s map much less the entire wasteland.
CerberusGate
I should save my game in a whole new slot
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Cats
Interestingly, the design document for the Nursery area in Van Buren would have included cats too so I guess cats would have come back to the Fallout setting eventually. With all my dislike for Fallout 4, I'm actually okay with cats still existing in the Fallout-verse since cats (and arguably some felines) are quite feisty animals who could survive outside domestic care.
RangerBoo
Resident Schizo Poster
If memory serves, cats were to make a appearance in Van Buren or at lest that is what the Nursery design documents for Van Buren stated.
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Damn it! Cerberus beat me to it!
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Damn it! Cerberus beat me to it!
Zyax
Salt Powered Robot
Yeah that's it. It does also make me wonder about felines in other parts of the world, like Africa. Mutated Tigers?
Now you know how I felt when you beat me to it
.But yeah, saying this animal or that animal is extinct in the Fallout lore doesn't make much sense unless it comes from an official document made by whoever has power to write lore.
If it comes from a character ingame, then it should come with actual undeniable proof of some kind, because most people have no idea what is happening on a few miles radius, so they can't say for sure if there is any horses, chicken, pigs, cats, etc somewhere else. At least that is what I think.
So I guess the best thing Bethesda gave us was Cats.
Zyax
Salt Powered Robot
I personally disagree, but to each their own
RangerBoo
Resident Schizo Poster
Well the power armor was pretty cool. It actually felt like you are a walking tank and I can see why people in Fallout 1 and 2 would fear you wearing PA. Although I didn't like the whole thing with the energy cores. Those shouldn't have been in the game.
Yeah, they got PA right in terms of weight, and I'm someone who didn't mind crafting with PA (allowing you to mix and match different PA types).