Why is Fallout 3 so loved ?

[woo1108]

fo3 is loved not because it's Fallout.
I'm sure about that.

fo3 is only Fallout that made by beth.
and whether good or not, it's nothing like Fallouts.
fo3 surely used some part of cannon from previous games.
but this can't make fo3 a Fallout.
for story or setting, it's more like fanpic of Fallout from beth rather than proper sequel of Fallout.
and for gameplay wise, it's definitely not a Fallout.

 

[Gizmojunk]

...and for gameplay wise, it's definitely not a Fallout.

Indeed. Fallout was like this for a reason; ...and that translates just fine to modern 3D...



But not into modern first person view. Though Troika did plan an FPP view in their PA tech Demo.

 

[woo1108]

FPS view doesn't matter for me.
I think FPS view with controlling only one person can be more suitable method to make Fallout rather than fake party based isometric view system
what I want to say is, as an RPG, fo3 is not even an RPG while Fallouts are PnP rule based quest RPG.

 

[Kalasanty11]

I am sorry, but I will not read it, perhaps others will. I am sure it will be informative, but not convincing.

Ah, so this is how you create your opinions. You are "sure" about what others have said without even reading it? No wonder that you posted those "reasons for hatred".
That's just cowardly cop-out. What did you want to achieve by posting these "reasons for hatred"? That you apparently haven't read any discussion about these reasons? Well, you succeeded.

I give you credit as you do understand that negative opinions do not answer the question posed by the original author of this topic. (I smell irony there, but it is what it is.)

And what question is answered by your negative "opinion" about old Fallout fanbase?

I find it amusing that you "smell irony" in my post. I wasn't the one who posted "reasons for hatred" in thread "Why is Fallout 3 so loved". I was just replying to your post. Not to mention, that I did it in proper thread.

You wrote something like "It does not matter what the original Vision Statement was, it was not written by the current owners of the Intellectual Property" and than you act surprised that Fallout 3 is not what Fallout fanbase expected from Fallout game? Why Bethesda even bothered with naming their game "Fallout"? Well, if they made that choice than why are you even bothered that old (and, if you to visit Beth forums, big part of new) fanbase is judging that game as part of the series? As naossano wrote, all of that wouldn't happen if Bethesda didn't pretend to make a Fallout game and just create different IP.

I'm not even sure if you are serious at this point.

 

[Gizmojunk]

FPS view doesn't matter for me.
I think FPS view with controlling only one person can be more suitable method to make Fallout rather than fake party based isometric view system

many people feel that way about it.

But what is "fake party based isometric"?

To me the gameplay and perspective vantage are core elements... like Olive oil being not just oil, but oil made from Olives.

Where I live, people call softdrinks "Cokes"; if you ask for a coke they may well give you a pepsi [that's what they have], and they might not even mention that they don't actually sell Cokes.

FO3 is like asking for an IBC rootbeer, and being given an IBC rootbeer bottle with Pepsi in it.

...what I want to say is, as an RPG, fo3 is not even an RPG while Fallouts are PnP rule based quest RPG.

I think that Bethesda thinks FO3 is an RPG; but I think either they [and those they know] don't know what an RPG is, or they know that an RPG won't sell as well as an empowerment fantasy... and that's what they want to make anyway... so that's what they made FO3.

 

[woo1108]

While I can invite some NPC as it looks like party based game, it's actually single character based game.

isn't it?

I can't even control companions.
and I don't think there are much adventage for using isometric view fro Fallout.
for games like Jagged alience, it can be good because I have to control multiple units but at Fallout, I can control my charater only.
and while Jagged alience is focused on tactical combat, Fallout's most important part is interacting with many things.
and for interaction, I think FPS like Ultima underworld would be better.

 

[Gizmojunk]

While I can invite some NPC as it looks like party based game, it's actually single character based game.

isn't it?

I can't even control companions.
and I don't think there are much adventage for using isometric view fro Fallout.
for games like Jagged alience, it can be good because I have to control multiple units but at Fallout, I can control my charater only.
and while Jagged alience is focused on tactical combat, Fallout's most important part is interacting with many things.
and for interaction, I think FPS like Ultima underworld would be better.

There is advantage ~but not for the game mechanics.

About companions though: All of your companions are tag-along strangers; but in Jagged Alliance, they are [mostly] all ex military, trained for team work. It makes sense that the FO NPCs are loose canons. It was the same way in the SSI Goldbox games as well. IIRC it was not impossible to play using one PC and fill out the party with NPCs.

I think it's occasionally the same for Wasteland 2... If you have no leadership skill.

*It bothered me that the Brotherhood squad you can get in Fallout, did not at least follow you into the base and help. At the time I thought they should be able to take orders under stress [combat], but I didn't understand the limitations of how they implemented NPCs in the engine.

Modded Fallout 2 allows limited control over your NPCs, but it's buggy I hear.

 

[BuffHamster]

I am sorry, but I will not read it, perhaps others will. I am sure it will be informative, but not convincing.

Ah, so this is how you create your opinions. You are "sure" about what others have said without even reading it? No wonder that you posted those "reasons for hatred".
That's just cowardly cop-out. What did you want to achieve by posting these "reasons for hatred"? That you apparently haven't read any discussion about these reasons? Well, you succeeded.

I give you credit as you do understand that negative opinions do not answer the question posed by the original author of this topic. (I smell irony there, but it is what it is.)

And what question is answered by your negative "opinion" about old Fallout fanbase?

I find it amusing that you "smell irony" in my post. I wasn't the one who posted "reasons for hatred" in thread "Why is Fallout 3 so loved". I was just replying to your post. Not to mention, that I did it in proper thread.

You wrote something like "It does not matter what the original Vision Statement was, it was not written by the current owners of the Intellectual Property" and than you act surprised that Fallout 3 is not what Fallout fanbase expected from Fallout game? Why Bethesda even bothered with naming their game "Fallout"? Well, if they made that choice than why are you even bothered that old (and, if you to visit Beth forums, big part of new) fanbase is judging that game as part of the series? As naossano wrote, all of that wouldn't happen if Bethesda didn't pretend to make a Fallout game and just create different IP.

I'm not even sure if you are serious at this point.

uh huh, ... and your reply still misses the point. You see, I already know why some of the old fan base "hates" Fallout 3, I did read all the "hate" in both the "Why is Fo3 so hated" topic AND in this topic. The irony wasn't directed at you specifically, go back and read the line again. This topic's author is?, ... not you.

I don't have a negative opinion about the Fallout fan base in general, although you seem to perceive it to be so, go back and re-read what I wrote, you will see that while I do understand the reasons for some of the fan base disliking Fallout 3, and that I did say several times that there were things that I also disliked about Fallout 3, ... my point was but why bash the people who give you their reasons and opinions that answer this topic's main question?, then continue to give reasons why those that do love Fallout 3 are inferior?, ... so how is that a "cop-out"? ,

... I gave an opinion in answer to this topic, I have already said that I do not share the same opinion that it should be hated and I do not need to be convinced to hate something I enjoy, again, ... where is the cop out?

"... you act surprised that Fallout 3 is not what Fallout fanbase expected from Fallout game?" I am not surprised at all, where did you get that from?

I think you misunderstood some things and I am still not sure you got the point I was trying to make. I never once said Fallout 3 was perfect, I did infer that it had flaws, but overall, I still enjoyed it and I gave my opinions why.

Again, to all, what many have missed is: that I was NOT "writing to convince" (except on the issue of 'theater' which happened to be my primary occupation before becoming disabled), and since I had no preconceived notions of being able to shake you (3rd person plural) out of your collective boxes, I was "writing to inform" in order to answer the topic question.

I already knew that many people have a solid negative opinion about the game, and that others love it and some fall in a spectrum in between, and everyone is more than welcome to those opinions, but, ...

I will always stick to this: Why bash the people who come here to answer the topic question and give their opinion? This topic asks for an opinion, which others use as bait to vent their frustration and negative opinions on.

... and it still continues. The topic title is completely misleading and some people still think they are more superior than others based on their own personal preferences and viewpoints about, ... what else? a game.

Again, in my opinion, Bethesda kept as much of the charm of the old franchise while introducing new elements of game play, that appears to me the reasons why it was popular. They did miss the tongue-in-cheek humor of the original games, but, it was still enough of a success that they felt that they could hand it over to some of the original development people (Obsidian) who in turn put the humor back and gave us Fallout: New Vegas.

Put the humor back? That's a bit of missing the point, for someone who likes to point out how people are missing the point :]
NV did a lot more than just add a bunch of gags to the game.
Gags are, in fact, not what we are missing here.

Also, nobody asked Bethesda to do a damn thing. Your arguments and examples are rather condescending and hostile, and you seem to want to make us all just stop disliking and start liking this game.
"oh well. What are you going to do?" Bitch and complain, what else? As consumers it is our right.

1) gags or humor are not the only reasons for or against, just one of many of mine. It is a personal preference only and just one small facet of the whole.

2) Whether anyone asked or did not ask Bethesda is irrelevant. They bought it, it was their choice.

3) to quote you, "I didn't think I was condescending or hostile." and no, I do not want you to like or dislike anything, that is up to you. YOU asked "Why is Fallout 3 so loved?" and people give their opinions and the people who hate Fallout 3 bash them apart. Now that is hostile. It is entrapment and it drives many away from this site.

As a consumer, you set up a topic for "Why is Fallout 3 so hated?" and there people vent their frustration and can bitch and complain all they want.

But I still don't think you get the point I was trying to make.

 

[H3rw00d1]

I think what BuffHamster is trying to say is:

Why do people who hate Fallout 3 find it okay to come onto a thread about what people liked about Fallout 3, insult and generally act elitist to people giving their opinion on why they liked Fallout 3.

Not so much insulting them BECAUSE they like F3, but tearing apart every single thing they liked that person brings up.

For example:

Thread Name: Why is Fallout 3 so loved ?
Person 1: I liked F3's graphics and weapons.
Person 2: But the graphics are so shitty and the weapons are all the same, you can't be serious?

What BuffHamster is annoyed about is that some people go out of their way to make F3 look as horrible as possible, regardless of that persons preferences towards the game.

I think thats what BuffHamster's trying to say.

 

[Kalasanty11]

where is the cop out?

"I am sorry, but I will not read it, perhaps others will. I am sure it will be informative, but not convincing". You post some supposed "reasons" for hatred ("The Perks weren't the same" - seriously? This is one of the entire 3 things which you focused on, like there was no other good reason?) and then act surprised that somebody has issues with that and you refuse to discuss it? You could have written that "some fans hate Fallout 3. I understand that though doesn't entirely agree" and I would be totally fine with that. But for some reason you had a need to list these "reasons".

I still don't get what question those "reasons" were supposed to be answering. You have issues that some people created serious offtop here (which I agree is a big thing unfortunatelly) by... creating another offtop? I wouldn't even bother with replying to your post if it wasn't for that single part. Now I feel bad for continuing offtop you created. I should have restrain myself, just like I did with that another offtop.

you act surprised that Fallout 3 is not what Fallout fanbase expected from Fallout game?" I am not surprised at all, where did you get that from?

"It does not matter what the original Vision Statement was, it was not written by the current owners of the Intellectual Property". Maybe I used wrong words. You didn't "act surprised", but apparently think that's right (in "moral", not "lawful" sense) for Bethesda to do with the franchise whatever they want because they paid for it? Just look what many people think about new Star Wars trilogy or Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. And we are talking about original creator (in case of Star Wars) here! Pete Hines himself said that they "didn't want to make our 'own' series because we want to make a true sequel to the first two Fallouts". So it does matter "what the original Vision Statement was", even guy from Bethesda admits it indirectly.

Thread Name: Why is Fallout 3 so loved ?
Person 1: I liked F3's graphics and weapons.
Person 2: But the graphics are so shitty and the weapons are all the same, you can't be serious?

Good point. Enough of this offtop already. If you want discuss these "reasons for hatred" than go for proper thread. So should everyone else.

 

[naossano]

It might be usefull to create a thread about Fo3 faithfullness to the other Fallout.

 

[H3rw00d1]

It might be usefull to create a thread about Fo3 faithfullness to the other Fallout.

Create a thread about Fallout 3's faithfullness to the the other Fallouts? I don't know if that would be a good idea, I'm pretty sure a couple of threads like that have been made in the past and I don't think they worked out very well.

 

[Gizmojunk]

It might be usefull to create a thread about Fo3 faithfullness to the other Fallout.

Create a thread about Fallout 3's faithfullness to the the other Fallouts? I don't know if that would be a good idea, I'm pretty sure a couple of threads like that have been made in the past and I don't think they worked out very well.

What could be said in such a thread? One can't argue with concrete examples, except to say that they are lacking importance or rightfully improved upon; and that is calling the member's opinion insignificant. That would heat up pretty quick.