Zacarias Moussaoui- death or no?

Zacarias Moussaoui-

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welsh

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Ok, so the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui has nearly come to an end. So what do you think- shall we tie him up to the big toaster and fry him or should we just keep in incarcerated for ever?

One of the key issues is whether this guy is a nut. Under US Law you can only give a person the death sentences if they are sane (this way we enjoy it more and because its no damn fun toasting a lunatic).

So vote- toast or no toast?

ANd while we're at it. What are your thoughts about it.

I liked when the social worker tried to say that Zack was abused as a child and suffered discrimination and Zack got pissed off and called in American Bullshit.

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Prosecutors Concede Doubts About Moussaoui's Story
By Neil A. Lewis
The New York Times

Friday 21 April 2006

Alexandria, VA - The prosecution acknowledged on Thursday that even the government's chief investigators did not believe the claim of Zacarias Moussaoui that Richard C. Reid, known as the shoe bomber, was to help him fly a jetliner into the White House on Sept. 11, 2001.

The jury, which is considering whether to order either the death penalty or life imprisonment for Mr. Moussaoui, was presented with a document saying Federal Bureau of Investigation analysts had agreed that Mr. Reid was never meant to be part of the Sept. 11 attacks.

The document, read to jurors by one of Mr. Moussaoui's court-appointed lawyers, was a "substitution" agreed to by prosecutors rather than having Mr. Reid brought from prison in Colorado, where he is serving a life sentence for trying to ignite a bomb in his shoe on an American Airlines flight on Dec. 22, 2001.

The significance of the document is that the Justice Department has now acknowledged that the government's principal investigators on the case are highly skeptical of an important part of Mr. Moussaoui's statement, made on the witness stand last month, about his role in the Sept. 11 plot.

In their summation to the jury last month in the first phase of the sentencing trial, prosecutors repeatedly cited Mr. Moussaoui's testimony that he was to fly a fifth hijacked plane into the White House on Sept. 11 and that Mr. Reid was to have been one of the hijackers.

Defense lawyers had asserted that Mr. Moussaoui concocted the claim to make himself appear a far more important player in Al Qaeda than he really was.

Mr. Moussaoui's statement was widely viewed as an important element in persuading the jury to find him eligible for the death penalty.

The defense lawyers had sought to bring Mr. Reid to court this week to debunk the story, but complications, including objections from his lawyer, made that difficult. Instead, they introduced the substitution, which said the government agreed that "to date, there is no information available that Richard Reid had preknowledge of the 9/11 attacks and was instructed by Al Qaeda leadership to conduct an operation with Moussaoui."

The statement read to the jury said Mr. Reid had left documents before boarding the American Airlines flight showing that he had no intention to take part in a martyrdom operation with Mr. Moussaoui. They included a letter to his mother and a will in which he was to leave his belongings to Mr. Moussaoui.

In addition, Mr. Reid was traveling throughout the world when the Sept. 11 hijackers were assembling in the United States.

Based on that, the document said two F.B.I. analysts had agreed that "it is highly unlikely that Reid was part of this operation."

Mr. Moussaoui's court-appointed lawyers, with whom he does not speak, ended their case with the Reid statement.

Mr. Moussaoui, the only person to stand trial in the United States for the Sept. 11 attacks, has pleaded guilty to conspiracy. The jury ruled last month that he was eligible for the death penalty, even though he was in jail at the time of the attacks, because he had concealed his knowledge of Qaeda plans to fly planes into buildings.

The only remaining question for the jury, which will begin deliberations on Monday, is whether to order his execution or allow him to spend the rest of his life in prison.

Prosecutors ended their case Thursday with testimony by Dr. Raymond Patterson, a forensic psychiatrist who has examined Mr. Moussaoui. Dr. Patterson said Mr. Moussaoui suffered from a personality disorder but not from schizophrenia or other major mental disease.

The jury heard testimony earlier from a psychologist and a psychiatrist for the defense who had diagnosed Mr. Moussaoui's condition as a schizophrenia of the paranoid variety.

Dr. Patterson disputed much of their conclusions
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No, absolutely not. I don't care if he's a terrorist or crazy or whatever, but if our stupid country won't even give multiple-murders, pedophiles and rapists the death penalty 99% of the time then they shouldn't give this guy a death sentence, especially when his crime is "witholding information". Really I could care less if they draw, quarter and disembowel him in public, but it's incredibly hypocritical to kill him when there are much bigger and more immediate threats walking out of our prisons every day. If majority of people in this country apparently feel so strongly about taking "the moral high ground" when it comes to the choice between killing or imprisoning someone who can commit the most atrocious anti-social crimes you can imagine, then let them take their precious "moral high ground" stance on this asshole as well.
 
Indeed.

Moussauoui is looking to become a martyr anyways. What point is there in sentencing death when it caters to the ego of the convict?

It rather negates its effect as a penalty doesn't it?
 
"Hey Zach!"

"Yeah?"

"Watch your cornhole, dude!"

I'm not a fan of the death penalty at all, I think we should simply lock people like Moussaoui (and rapists, murderers, etc.) away for the rest of their lives. No endless litigation, no midnight vigils, no vigilante justice courtesy of the state, just a long-ass time to think about what you did.

And, of course, 'rape lol'.
 
The rest of his life in prison being raped by a big black man from Louisiana called Bubba is what he should look forward to. It appears that Allah does take care of his children after all. Praise ALLAH!!!!!!!
 
Of course nobody's actually sentenced to a lifetime of anal rape, but if an ineffective, bloated, and unsecure prison system caters to your sense of justice better than execution, then hey whatever.
 
Bradylama said:
Of course nobody's actually sentenced to a lifetime of anal rape, but if an ineffective, bloated, and unsecure prison system caters to your sense of justice better than execution, then hey whatever.

If they're locked up and not let out, it's effective and secure. I don't really see a problem.
 
I'm guessing he won't be put into general population in a US prison, he wouldn't survive five minutes, let alone long enough for Bubba to manhandle him.

He should be though.
 
Well, I have to admit this is hard for me. Religious convictions say that he should get years of anal rape.

But having done the law thing, the guy just doesn't qualify as a whacko to get off on the insanity defense. And to deny him the toasting while letting some poor black guy get roasted because he had a crappy defense, just doesn't seem fair.

Zack things that Bush won't let him fried, and he migth be right. Zack might be a useful witness in the future (like a hannibal lector type). But to be honest, I am willing to take the chance that he won't be valuable.

So yeah, toast his ass.

Perhaps in Florida where the machine malfunctions and the guy is put on fire.

They you can give him the fire extinguisher.
Then light him up again.
 
This isn't really covered in Belgian news, so I might be speaking from a perspective of ignorance here - but what the hell did that guy do to even deserve a death penalty? Is claiming you are a member of a terrorist organistation already a crime - a crime punisheable by death, no less?

Furthermore, it takes an asinine jury to even consider the guy to be serious, in my humble opinion. The guy's obviously a lonely guy with a minority complex, so why not subscribe him some pills and let him out?

This all seems like one of those mob-with-pitchforks scapegoat thingies to me.
 
Jebus said:
This isn't really covered in Belgian news, so I might be speaking from a perspective of ignorance here - but what the hell did that guy do to even deserve a death penalty? Is claiming you are a member of a terrorist organistation already a crime - a crime punisheable by death, no less?

They claim that he knew in advance about the 9/11 attacks but didn't tell authorities, and that he would have flown a plane himself if he hadn't been in prison at the time. So he's on trial for something he could have done and something he didn't do - makes a lot of sense, eh? Though I guess in a country where "pre-emptive" attacks are viewed as justifiable it's par for the course. That's our country in a nutshell - aggressively pursuing and destroying "potential" threats to our citizens while ignoring present and immediate threats to our citizens. It's really great that we're so forward looking though - with policies like these, the future is in our hands!
 
Pajari said:
If they're locked up and not let out, it's effective and secure. I don't really see a problem.

I suppose one wouldn't when one jokes about prison rape as if all inmates deserved to be gang-raped. If people are constantly raped and murdered in prison, the system isn't working.

People are put in prison to serve their time, not to be given "justice" by the Aryan Brotherhood.
 
Bradylama said:
I suppose one wouldn't when one jokes about prison rape as if all inmates deserved to be gang-raped. If people are constantly raped and murdered in prison, the system isn't working.

People are put in prison to serve their time, not to be given "justice" by the Aryan Brotherhood.

Yeah, that's one thing I don't understand - how people can be against sending someone to death, but be enthused about sending them to a torturous life in prison full of non-stop oppression, violence and rape. If that isn't cruel and unusual punishment I don't know what is.

And if that's really the way people feel, why bother with prison at all? Bring back the stocks, the rack, the lash, etc. Put them in a public square and let people throw shit at them and humiliate them for a month. It amounts to the same thing, would be a more effective punishment, and a lot cheaper. Our prison system sucks, but if it's going to be the moral and non cruel-and-unusual way to punish people and hopefully rehabilitate them then there shouldn't be any violence or rape whatsoever. You don't put people in an environment ten times worse than the one they came from an expect them to come out the better for it or become a valuable member of society. And most of them DO come back out, whether they got a laughable "lifetime sentence" or not.

Not to go too far off track, but frequently people who are against the death penalty cite the possibility that an innocent man will be executed as reason enough not to have one. Well I don't know about you, but I'm sure that most innocent men would rather be unjustly executed than unjustly sentenced to a nightmarish existence in a maximum security prison and being someone's prison bitch for years. I'd certainly rather face a firing squad than have to decide whether it would be better for the aryans or the brothers to rape me and use me for currency.

Edit: And another thing, it's absolute lunacy that people expect their sense of "justice" to be fulfilled by prison inmates. If our legal system is so fucked that people can only get a sense that the right thing has been done and a feeling of closure and comfort by the thought, "oh, it's ok, they'll rape him in prison", then something is horribly wrong.
 
They shouldnt martyr him by executing him. Life in prison would both punish and humiliate him as opposed to making him and others view him as a sort of 'hero'.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
 
Ghoullove said:
The Commissar said:
The Commissar votes death.

Can people still choose death to firing squad in the US?

No

Yes, but only in Idaho and Oklahoma.


Also - I vote life in prison. Wouldn't want to make a martyr out of him. I doubt he'd last very long on the inside, anyway.
 
Bradylama said:
Pajari said:
If they're locked up and not let out, it's effective and secure. I don't really see a problem.

I suppose one wouldn't when one jokes about prison rape as if all inmates deserved to be gang-raped. If people are constantly raped and murdered in prison, the system isn't working.

People are put in prison to serve their time, not to be given "justice" by the Aryan Brotherhood.

That was a quote from Office Space, not a serious comment. Of course people don't deserve that treatment, but they do deserve to watch their life waste away in a concrete box for doing something heinous.
 
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