John Uskglass
Venerable Relic of the Wastes
This guy would not be tortured in prison, I think. If anything he would help radicalize Muslim converts in prison, of which there are many.
Zacarias Moussaoui- death or no?
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Moussaoui has received the life sentence, to tie that up.
Lazarus Plus
The smoovest
I think our prison system is a joke.
And you know that he will certainly be watched so closely in prison that this is practically going to be a (albeit boring) vacation for him.
The fact that prisoners sentenced to life receive better health care than the average law abiding American is despicable.
And you know that he will certainly be watched so closely in prison that this is practically going to be a (albeit boring) vacation for him.
The fact that prisoners sentenced to life receive better health care than the average law abiding American is despicable.
Well apparantly he is not going to be assraped. He is going to a maximum security prison in colorado.
Edit : i found the information. As far as i understand this i the place he will be spending the rest of his life
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADX_Florence
A nice place to live the rest of ones life? Somehow i don't think he will be able to convert to many inmates there anyway.
Edit : i found the information. As far as i understand this i the place he will be spending the rest of his life
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADX_Florence
A nice place to live the rest of ones life? Somehow i don't think he will be able to convert to many inmates there anyway.
"Most individuals are kept for at least 23 hours each day in solitary confinement. They are housed in a 7-by-12 foot (3.5-by-2 meter) soundproofed room, built behind a steel door and grate. The remaining free hour is spent exercising alone in a separate concrete chamber. Prisoners rarely see each other, and inmates' only human interaction is limited to that of the prison guards. Religious services are broadcasted in from a small chapel.
Most cells' furniture is made almost entirely out of poured concrete, including a desk, stool, and bed covered by a thin mattress. Each chamber contains a toilet that shuts off if plugged, a shower that runs on a timer to prevent flooding, and a sink missing a potentially dangerous tap. Rooms may also be fitted with polished steel mirrors bolted to the wall, an electric light, a 13-inch black and white television, and a cigarette lighter. Windows in rooms are small, set high up in the wall, and point towards the sky, confusing the prisoner as to his specific location within the complex."
sounds like fun...
funny how they get a cigarrete lighter though.
Most cells' furniture is made almost entirely out of poured concrete, including a desk, stool, and bed covered by a thin mattress. Each chamber contains a toilet that shuts off if plugged, a shower that runs on a timer to prevent flooding, and a sink missing a potentially dangerous tap. Rooms may also be fitted with polished steel mirrors bolted to the wall, an electric light, a 13-inch black and white television, and a cigarette lighter. Windows in rooms are small, set high up in the wall, and point towards the sky, confusing the prisoner as to his specific location within the complex."
sounds like fun...
funny how they get a cigarrete lighter though.
A 13" black and white TV is worse than anal rape though. 
Atomic Cowboy
It Wandered In From the Wastes
The Penitentiary (invented during the 19th century) has it's roots in the word "Penitent" - the goal of the penitentiary was to reform the criminal, whereas previous to it's development the punishment was almost always death resulting in juries who refused to find criminals guilty because the punishment was too harsh, and the King frequently demonstrating his majesty by forgiving criminals just prior to their beheading.
The old system could be summed up as "majesty and terror," while the new system embodied the concept "let the punishment fit the crime."
Unfortunately (in my opinion - unlike the above, I can't quote you sources on this) since it's development there's been a major shift in the worldview of people going to prison. Religion is no longer universal, it no longer describes how the world works, (science has taken over here) and even those who are still religious are infused with modern moral relativism (ie: they can continue to commit crimes and justify in a way which they couldn't have with the memes of the 19th century).
This has led to the police choosing not to prosecute against first time offenders, but to punish them in more informal ways - the same thing that was happening in the 16th and 17th centuries. Once somebody has been sent to prison there is only a 10% chance that they will rehabilitate. Usually, prison just teaches them to be better criminals and embroils them in gang activity.
But all that being said, I don't have a better solution. And I'm against the death penalty mainly because I'm not willing to grant my country the right to choose who lives and who dies (although I'd personally be willing to put a round in the back of a pedo's head). So I vote for the prison option.
The more you know,
The further you go.
The old system could be summed up as "majesty and terror," while the new system embodied the concept "let the punishment fit the crime."
Unfortunately (in my opinion - unlike the above, I can't quote you sources on this) since it's development there's been a major shift in the worldview of people going to prison. Religion is no longer universal, it no longer describes how the world works, (science has taken over here) and even those who are still religious are infused with modern moral relativism (ie: they can continue to commit crimes and justify in a way which they couldn't have with the memes of the 19th century).
This has led to the police choosing not to prosecute against first time offenders, but to punish them in more informal ways - the same thing that was happening in the 16th and 17th centuries. Once somebody has been sent to prison there is only a 10% chance that they will rehabilitate. Usually, prison just teaches them to be better criminals and embroils them in gang activity.
But all that being said, I don't have a better solution. And I'm against the death penalty mainly because I'm not willing to grant my country the right to choose who lives and who dies (although I'd personally be willing to put a round in the back of a pedo's head). So I vote for the prison option.
The more you know,
The further you go.
Bradylama
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
It's not the country that decides who lives and who dies, but a jury of one's own peers.
The only exception, I think, is for treason. Which carries automatic death.
The only exception, I think, is for treason. Which carries automatic death.
Lazarus Plus
The smoovest
Bradylama said:
I'm fairly certain that a jury still determines guilt in those circumstances. If it's military, then a tribunal. But guilt is still determined by a group of peers.
Duders, get real: the guy didn't do anything wrong. Sure, he allegedly knew that there was going to be trouble on 9/11 and he didn't tell anyone about that. So friggin' what? He's also a little crazy in the head, introvert and lonesome. People like that would say anything to receive some praise and attention.
Instead of putting him in jail for life, they should just give him a daily pink pill and offer him a job at MacDonalds or something.
Instead of putting him in jail for life, they should just give him a daily pink pill and offer him a job at MacDonalds or something.