Black Panther

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by CT Phipps, Mar 23, 2018.

  1. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    So is the Black Panther any good?

    *sarcasm* Yes, this movie needs my approval to become a success *sarcasm*. Really, I don't feel like reviewing this movie at all because everyone who is going to have seen it has probably done so already. It's a movie which has surpassed Titanic and the Avengers or will soon enough. It's certainly changed the dynamic of a lot of people's perceptions regarding black-led superhero films (which I respond to with: wait, did just forget Blade existed?). Still, I feel like I'd be denying my fanbase if I didn't do a review of the film. So, what did I think?

    It was okay. Not great. Better than Doctor Strange. Not as entertaining as Thor: Ragnarok. It's kind of a bizarre situation as Black Panther is now a cultural icon with ludicrous things like the movie being attacked by Forbes magazine for taking away viewers from white-driven movies. Yet, really, I think my biggest objection to the movie comes from the fact I'm a Black Panther fan.
    Yes, of the comic book character.

    I was a big fan of the interpretation by Reginald Hudlin and Christopher Priest. That version of the Black Panther heavily influenced this version but this is just different enough to be not quite as interesting as me. Again, nobody in the world is going to care what my blog has to say on the subject and I'm glad everyone else in the world mostly seems to like this story. It's a phenomenon and, like Avatar, if you like it then you like it. Still, I'm not afraid of critiquing something that's popular and if you're interested in hearing my thoughts then read on.

    The premise of the movie is T'Challa is ascending to the throne of Wakanda in the aftermath of his father's death in Captain America: Civil War. He manages to deal with early challenges well but things go completely off the rails when his unknown cousin, Eric Stephens a.k.a Killmonger, comes to Wakanda in order to claim the throne via Necromonger-esque challenge. T'Challa survives, barely, and must make a Rocky-style comeback to reclaim his throne before Killmonger unleashes Wakandan technology on the world in an attempt to create a global revolution.

    Like the comic (and Avatar for that matter), Black Panther is fundamentally an anti-colonialist movie but actually stars real people. Killmonger has the plan of creating black liberation throughout the world by arming oppressed peoples with advanced Wakandan technology. He believes it will create a Wakandan empire, which basically is a very intelligent and well-thought out jab at American foreign policy where plenty of groups were given weapons by the USA that turned out to not want to be our friends.

    However, I had a lot of issues with the story because Killmonger's plans are so poorly thought out and driven by his rage that it contrasted against a lot of points which the movie is trying to bring up. The film chastises Wakanda for being a nation that remained in isolation for centuries when the slave trade as well as other criseses were occurring but portrays it as a utopian nation otherwise. There's a lot of really good moments, like the fact Wakandans don't see other Africans as their problem, but these are hurt by the fact the movie is forced to gloss over the larger issues in order to get to the next action scene.

    Still, I have to give Michael B. Jordan credit for creating a character where the shortsightedness and lack of planning for a supposed genius is entirely justified. Killmonger came to Wakanda in hopes of finding a home and a sympathetic ear for his pan-African crusade as well as wars of liberation. Instead, like many revolutionaries throughout history, his one-dimensional black and white view of history as well as politics meets deaf ears. Rather than try to see the perspective of his opponents, he simply dismisses them as evil.

    Much of the comic Black Panther's story is driven by the dramatic irony of the fact T'Challa is a reformer and man with slightly more respect for the outside world than your average Wakandan (which is to say any at all). While the story touches on the idea T'Challa is going to bring Wakanda into the greater global community, this occurs at the end of a longer character arc that I think would have been a better focus of a movie than the existing story where he finds out his country is not as picturesque as he thought.

    I also admit I wasn't a big fan of the changes to existing Black Panther supporting characters. The transformation of Everett Ross from a somewhat bumbling bureaucrat who is, fundamentally, a good man to a very competant CIA agent somewhat warps the narrative around him. Sort of like turning Jimmy Olsen into a CIA agent in Batman vs. Superman. I also am probably the only person who prefers the Dora Milaje plot as unwanted fiances of Black Panther to maintain a peace. The movie versions are certainly badass and awesome but I'm a sucker for stories about unrequited love. What did I think about Shuri? I had no complaints about her and actually prefer her to the comic version--T'Challa should totally give the kingdom to her.

    The movie is beautiful from start to finish and does an excellent job of making a fantastical place real. Wakanda is not so much believable (when it starts with a cloaking field to keep it hidden--you've already left the realm of that description) but it is authentic. The choice of attire, architecture, and statements give a sense of how this nation might have been created. My view being that it was once a much more cosmopolitan culture with influences from all of Africa but which turned inward centuries ago.

    In a real way, I think my biggest issue with the movie is T'Challa is the straight man for more interesting characters to bounce off of. I say that with all respect to Chadwick's Boseman, who does an immensely good job in every scene he's in. Still, I can't help but think Black Panther is a character who works better as an older more proactive character than one who is just starting his career as here. Still, T'Challa is on an arc throughout the story and completes it in a way which is both interesting and not at all superficial.

    Sill, the action in the movie is tremendous and visually stunning from beginning to end. Black Panther easily sells that he might be the single greatest fighter in the MCU and that's before Killmonger manages to one-up him. I just prefer genius chessmaster T'Challa to the one in the movie.

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  2. Valdetiosi

    Valdetiosi Still Mildly Glowing

    Jul 14, 2017
    Pink Panther > Black Panther
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  3. Millim

    Millim What the fuck is this for a shit?!

    Oct 13, 2010
    I found Black Panther very okay, I got exactly what I expected.

    I probably won't rewatch it any time soon, especially seeing how there are films I want to see/rewatch more
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  4. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 27, 2003
    Black Panther was an ok movie. First it is a I agree with Trump to the complete opposite of, kill whitey.
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  5. Cobra Commander

    Cobra Commander Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Dec 6, 2016
    Good movie, better then that shitty comics written by Reginald Hudlin.

    A friend made an interesting comment about the ending. The sharing of Wakanda's technology in the end, will change the MCU. And I agree, it is a great crutch for the writers.

    For example, my dream is to see Stilt-Man in a Spider movie (it will not happen, I know, but would or would not it be a visual SPECTACLE?)

    so the writer does not even have to waste time explaining his origin.

    Spider - "Awesome legs. Where did you get it?"
    Stilt-Man - "It's technology stolen from Wakanda"

    And that´s it. Let´s continue with the movie.
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  6. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    I mean it's got pretty good fan art a11.jpg
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  7. Cobra Commander

    Cobra Commander Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Dec 6, 2016
  8. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    May 27, 2004
    Ugh. American superhero comics are virtually always shit. There's some rare exceptions, but when you're used to the quality of French or Belgian graphic novels, it's hard to see any redeeming features in most mainstream Marvel and DC comics.
  9. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dark side in da houssah

    Nov 22, 2009
    Haven't seen it yet, seems that it has been a financial hit surprisingly. Films with black stars can succeed, so...yea. Maybe a sequel on the way.
  10. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    You say that like it's never happened before.
    Men_in_Black_Poster.jpg 220px-Blade_movie.jpg The_Color_Purple_poster.jpg Space-Jam-1479150036-640x488.jpg
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  11. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dark side in da houssah

    Nov 22, 2009
    Well those films were successful. Space Jam for example, good result at box office but maybe still a 'one off', a showpiece for Michael Jordan. Blade-films are IMHO the closest to Black Panther that they had a clearly a black star headlining the film.

    Black Panther maybe the biggest box office record for a film with a black star? Even when adjusted for inflation I think.
  12. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    I mean but so what? Who was not going to see movies because they had a black lead?
  13. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dark side in da houssah

    Nov 22, 2009
    There are many such people unfortunately, anti-black even racist individuals. Some might unconsciously avoid films with black leads. Hollywood's bias against blacks and other minorities is pretty well documented. Many minorities are 'type cast' and don't get lead roles.
  14. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    That happens to literally everyone all the time. Ryan Reynolds was type cast as goofy idiot forever and he still kinda is. Ben Affleck was type cast as an asshole until his buddy casted him as a romantic lead. Hell Adam Sandler is still type casted as screaming retard despite his actually solid performance is punch drunk love.
    Yeah some people ar gonna be outside of a films target audience. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the movie wasn't marketed toward racists.
    Oh fuck off.
    What is this the fucking 70s blaxpoitation Era? In this overly PC culture? I can't take this shit seriously. :hatersgonnahate:
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  15. Aurelius Of Phoenix

    Aurelius Of Phoenix First time out of the vault

    Mar 9, 2018
  16. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    Wanna talk about how Hollywood is so desperate to piggyback on any, and I mean any, established brand that they're remaking super fly?
  17. Sn1p3r187

    Sn1p3r187 Carolinian Shaolin Monk

    Apr 7, 2014
    It was an alright movie. Some people I'm friends with claim it changed their life as African Americans. Like geez, did you not have hope or faith in the black community before the film? I've always had some hope there, the film doesn't change that.
  18. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    But literally why tho? Between Detroit, chigaco, and literally all of Africa you'd hafta be an idiot to have hope for them.

  19. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Sep 17, 2016
    I feel bad for Falcon.

    No one ever wanted to be Falcon.

    I also feel bad for Blade.

    Because everyone should want to be Blade.
  20. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 27, 2003
    Nobody can make you feel worthless except YOU. Maybe it is just me but I seem to notice a lot of inferiority complexes with African Americans. Like who NEEDS a movie to tell them they are special?

    Also, as a movie, it is still stereotypical as fuck. Apparently, people in Africa still solve issue of succession/leadership with violence. Apparently, Wakanda is yet another country in Africa affected by civil war.