Emil Pagliarulo on Writing for Fallout 4

Discussion in 'Fallout 4' started by Mellow Mute, Apr 10, 2017.

  1. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA Vault Dweller

    Oct 26, 2016
    Brotherhood of Steel wasn't received any better because it distinguished itself as a spin-off rather than a sequel.

    Fallout 4 is dog shit regardless of the number. It's several years behind in terms of graphics and gameplay.
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  2. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Yeah, NV was actually good, because it was ... actually good!
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  3. SkyrimWithGuns

    SkyrimWithGuns First time out of the vault

    Apr 23, 2018

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  4. Norzan

    Norzan Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 7, 2017
    Pretty much the philosophy of the Bethesda of the past 12 years.
  5. SkyrimWithGuns

    SkyrimWithGuns First time out of the vault

    Apr 23, 2018
    So I made this account because I'd been searching for a good place to sort my feelings on this game, and this thread was full of interesting insights about how bad Fallout 4 was, where it succeeded, and where it failed hardest. I've watched long-form videos about it like JA's critiques as well as doing all the non-radiant quests in the game myself. I hope it's alright to share.

    I waited in line for this game at midnight. It was very cold, but there were a bunch of other people waiting as well, so it wasn't too bad. I had it preordered even though in Canada you basically got fuckall for doing so. Americans got socks, or season passes, in Canada I think a couple stores gave out PS4 themes. I didn't even get one of those, but I didn't care. Games here cost about $80+tax now, so closer to $95+. But I paid it, happily expecting that at worst, it'd just be Fallout 3 again with better graphics. Which I could've lived with. Meeting my expectations would've been more than enough, even if it didn't try to exceed them.

    It shocked me, to say the least, how many ways this game felt like a downgrade from New Vegas. Ammo types were boiled down. You could level up forever, meaning every build had one universal stamp sheet that everyone eventually fills out, meaning builds don't matter-- and most of the Perks are completely worthless (why does waterbreathing even have a second tier? THERE IS NOTHING IN THE WATER!), while others are hilariously broken (such as Idiot Savant, which triggered constantly for me despite having 10 INT). Sorry if I am treading ground others have said better elsewhere, but it really did surprise me. It felt as if Bethesda did not even play New Vegas. As if they went out of their way to avoid using any of Obsidian's design improvements, or gameplay tweaks. Having different ammo types was literally just applying different modifiers to your weapon. It would be very simple to include even if lots of players didn't use it, and it would give them a greater variety of things to find when exploring, besides randomly generated cases of generic ammo. But I guess that would clash with the "it doesn't have to make sense if it's fun and wacky" weapon modding, which allowed me to craft a laser shotgun with exploding shells that basically melted whatever I aimed it at. So ammo variety was shifted over into "do whatever who cares" crafting freedom. As someone who had always been fond of finding powerful Unique variant weapons with their own history in the game world, I found the emphasis on crafting nonsensical super-guns to be dull because it was so "game-y". It removed a lot of immersion for me. (I'll get to Legendary enemies/gear in a moment.) Over the course of FO4, hitting up every place on the map, I think I found maybe three named, unique weapons. The rest were RNG trash like SENTINEL'S KNEEPADS or whatever, that I never equipped.

    It didn't really sink in how bad things were, until I reached the Museum of Witchcraft. See, I'd gotten a note of it on my map, and I'd been slowly moving in that direction, getting rather excited to see it. I thought there was sure to be some unique stuff there-- a witch's costume for my sassy mom character to wear, or a broom melee weapon, or some kind of novel twist to what happened there. As I read the pre-war notes inside, I thought perhaps the teacher dressed as a witch might have been trapped in the basement and became a ghoul, which would be neat. Instead, I found nothing unique in the entire building, then as I went to leave, a deathclaw spawned.

    When I saw this, I began to realize that in a short number of hours, I had already largely seen what the game had to offer in enemy variety. I was very underwhelmed by the new enemies in this game. Synths didn't really show any behaviors that set them apart from human foes, and super mutants are just inexplicably everywhere. Unlike New Vegas, or even FO3, 4 really felt like nobody had ventured five feet from their door in the last 200 years. The game seems to flip between wanting the world to feel 'untouched' since the bomb drop, and also a 'lived-in' world where dynamic things are always happening. So you have a lot of factions, all running about inside this world, founding communities, but not touching ANYTHING.

    Really though I should put quotes on "factions", since that's kind of insulting NV's faction depth by sharing the word. I don't know know what magic Obsidian worked to make faction allegiances work, even including faction disguises and whatnot, but it's obvious Bethesda didn't read their notes. In FO4 I was able to join every faction at once, maintain a strong relationship with all of them, and only in two instances was I forced to make one hostile to me-- Mass Fusion, and the Brotherhood's invasion of the Railroad (which is part of their endgame). On top of that, you are forcefully drafted into the Minutemen by the plot-- and made their General-- within minutes of even finding out what it is. And if the Brotherhood or Institute can at least be called 'factions' in a sense, The Minutemen are not a faction; their authority is recognized by nobody, they have no crossover with other factions, or any real motivation of any kind. After going through each faction's ending and getting a boring and mostly identical slideshow for each faction ending (which I did all in a row when I was done with the game), I remembered to check in with the Minutemen and found they, too, had an "Institute Invasion" option, for no reason I can really understand. You and Garvey barge into the Institute, blow the reactor, and the entire time, Garvey seems genuinely confused as to where they are or what they're even really doing this for. They forgot to give The Minutemen a motive or stance to motivate destroying the Institute, but bothered to make sure they could do it anyway because who knows why. And then, unlike every other faction, Minutemen don't have a 'faction ending' slideshow. You also can't bring them up in many, if any, casual conversations.

    I don't want to go on too long so I'll just quickly talk about Legendary Gear, what a fucking terrible idea that was. Whoever thought of it probably thought it was really clever too. First of all, Legendary monsters are stupid because if there are legendary monsters everywhere, then none of them are special. There is no room to ponder what history this monster has to have earned that title-- you know it's just a respawning upper-tier enemy with some Epic Hockey Pads of Sturdiness on it or something. They should be placed manually, not spawn with complete RNG modifiers jumbled together. It makes every enemy's name look like some MMO crap. The stars aren't really necessary to denote the specialness of an item either-- the Named gear was that much more special because it stood out from gear that is RNG or generic. Everyone remembers The Terrible Shotgun from Fallout 3, or Maria from New Vegas. Nobody remembers "Epic Flaming Laser Tough Shotgun ". It's just another pile of random adjectives onto a weapon, or maybe a shoulder pad you picked off a big mosquito that somehow became 'legendary' from inside the Glowing Sea.

    The only genuinely good quest in the game is Silver Shroud, and the amount of effort put into the Shroud stuff vs everything else in the game makes me wish that person had written ALL the quests in the game. Not only is the Shroud outfit the most stylish fashion in the game, it's the only time your character shows actual personality, while roleplaying as The Silver Shroud. It also has a bit of challenge in trying to get the shroud fanboy out of the situation alive. Most of the other quests either take a shit on the Fallout lore (Eddie Winters, Kid in a Fridge, Chinese Sub, etc), or they're frustrating Radiant quests that you aren't ALLOWED to permanently strike off the list for some reason.

    I don't know how to end my post so, I will just say it is fucking ludicrous that you can't make walls or ceilings with no holes in them. And that Garvey will still take orders from you even if you let Nuka fiends into the Commonwealth. Just... what the hell, Bethesda. What the hell.
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  6. SkyrimWithGuns

    SkyrimWithGuns First time out of the vault

    Apr 23, 2018
    suffice to say as a result of my experience, i won't be buying elder scrolls 6
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  7. Cobra Commander

    Cobra Commander Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Dec 6, 2016
    NMA is not a super underground forum, it's even mentioned a few times in the Fallout Bible. I had visited here a few times during the Fallout 3 era, but I did not sign up earlier because I never had to necessity shout to the 4 corners of the world how Bethesda sucks. Until the arrival of Fallout 4.

    Fallout 4 is my Fallout 3.
  8. SkyrimWithGuns

    SkyrimWithGuns First time out of the vault

    Apr 23, 2018
    I remember enjoying FO3 a lot back on Xbox. I liked stuff like Republic of Dave, Point Lookout, etc. I even enjoyed Mothership Zeta, which seems to be an unpopular opinion? Stuff like DC downtown being an ugly mess of rubble and confusing subway tunnels, I chalked up to dev time running out. I probably spent more time than is normal decorating my Megaton home, just for my own amusement.

    But FO4, despite looking pretty, has nothing to it. Everything feels so skin-deep. The entire settlement building system has NO purpose in the game. I dread to think how many hours were wasted just implementing that new mechanic inside their terrible engine. There's nothing fun hidden in the remote corners. Glowing Sea is an overwhelming disappointment. They hype it up as some ultra-dangerous place, and then it hits you with weak as hell rads that one dose of RadX makes irrelevant. Every idea they had, began and ended at its basest level of execution.
  9. Daniel The NCR Veteran

    Daniel The NCR Veteran I'm NCR and Proud.

    Apr 9, 2018