I'm at a loss (some musings regarding humor/free speech/offendedness)

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by zegh8578, Apr 4, 2018.

  1. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    I actually did not mean it as an outcry to cencorship, I am extremely wary of that whole scenario myself, and I have never indicated that comedians are "cencored" in any way. If they were, we wouldn't be hearing or seeing them, would we?
    A lot of the cry-cencorship-movement are only trying to push for open bigotry and hate-speech anyway, so it's - imo - an illegitimate movement that I want no part of.

    I am merely exasperated with how volatile people are as of late, and how difficult it is to actually take someones side, while at the same time using humor or irony.
  2. PlanHex

    PlanHex Useless layabout oTO Moderator Orderite

    Nov 4, 2007
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  3. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    The thing is, that there is a place for criticism and outrage and there is just ... nagging and complaining on a subject you don't really understand.

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  4. Sn1p3r187

    Sn1p3r187 Carolinian Shaolin Monk

    Apr 7, 2014
    In my opinion comedy is like this. Either everything is forbidden, or nothing is forbidden. It's all subjective to personal taste.
  5. Jogre

    Jogre It's all JO'Ger now

    Oct 25, 2015
    Fair enough.

    Unless they have the actual force of the law behind them, or have a genuine chance of getting it behind them, why care what a few critics say?

    This seems kinda making a big deal out of something that any sensical person would just, IDK, ignore.
  6. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Because we see people loosing their Job and existence due to it? Because some people on Universities run ammok?

    I am a leftist, but this PC/SJW culture is simply put, cancerous. It's not criticism and it's not meant to be criticsm. Political Correctness for example comes actually from socialism - that's where it orginates. And it never was meant to be critism or to promote critical thinking, it was always a tool for cencorship. It's the idea of "You can't say this!" or "You're not supposed to say this!".

    Yes, there are pretty shitty opinions, and pretty shitty people out there, like Neonazis and Racists and the like and yes we have to fight them when ever possible. But we're not talking about those obvious cases. What we're talking about is people masking their obtusive offendedness as 'critique'.

    It's simply put an extension of so called 'identity politics' which you can actually find on the left as much as on the right. You hear an opinion you don't like or that offends you? Shun them! Tell their employer! Ruin their lifes! Share this image on your facebook etc. make this scumbag known!

    That's fucking group-think and lynch mobs.
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  7. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dark side in da houssah

    Nov 22, 2009
    Socially conscious people are the nazis of 2018.
  8. Cimmerian Nights

    Cimmerian Nights So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Aug 20, 2004
    That's a really shitty characterization of free speech advocates. I'm old enough to remember when Al Gore's wife went on a music censorship crusade to save us all from the evils of WASP lyrics. I remember guys like Frank Zappa testifying before congress, admirably standing up for the free speech of others (shows how far gone we are that Zappa would lumped in with some alt-right assholes today). If the unintended byproduct is that The Westboro Baptist church is entitled to the spout their repugnant vitriol? So be it.

    Let bigots have free speech too, their ideas will not withstand the disinfecting power of sunlight that public scrutiny would bring. Suppression only empowers them.
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  9. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    I'm not saying they shouldn't have free speech... why are we all assuming we want each others to stop saying things!?

    We ALL have free speech, which is *the reason we can react to each others saying all these things in the first place... *

    I *am* saying that bigots camoflage as free speech advocates so that they can be loud bigots without recieving any vocal reactions. I have always maintained that free speech goes both ways, and I will continue to maintain it.
    People ARE free to get comedians wrong, and then criticize them for the wrong reasons, I'm not saying they shouldn't be permitted to.

    I'm just saying it's annoying.

    A lot of speech speeched freely IS annoying.

    To reiterate, because I really don't want this to become a new stupid argument: I do NOT claim that people's statements should ever be forbidden... even if they are lame or annoying.
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