Moral Conundrum: Decapitate the Legion or not?

Discussion in 'Fallout: New Vegas Discussion' started by CT Phipps, Apr 18, 2017 at 7:47 PM.

  1. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Sexy Anthro Goddess...Mutant.

    Nov 8, 2016
    The best thing you could do, is change the leaders of the Legion to be less...Cheeky.

    Second best is to kill them off, and watch the group die off or assimilate into the NCR.

    Worst is to let them continue, let countless innocents slowly get wittled away.
     
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  2. naossano

    naossano Vault Fossil

    Oct 19, 2006
    You would need to seek for leaders elsewhere. Caesar inner circle is made of people who believe in the legion, in one way or another. If he bites the dust, (and Lanius as well) those are the most likely to take the lead.
     
  3. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    There's Lucius and Vulpes really, I suppose. Also, whoever is running the show back in Colorado.

    If this were Star Wars, you could probably recruit Graham to come back and deprogram the entire nation but Fallout: New Vegas is nuanced enough that we all know that would be a complete disaster.

    The violence would get to him again.

    Of course, an interesting but unprogrammable ending would be, "You win the Battle of Hoover Dam then kill Lanius and take over."
     
  4. JO'Geran

    JO'Geran It's all JO'Ger now

    Oct 25, 2015
    That would be stupid as shit tho.

    The reason Lanius is the next Caesar is because he is a well-trusted legate and second in command.

    You are essentially just a messenger on behalf of the Legion, contacting tribes to get them to ally with Caesar before the battle of hoover dam.

    There is no logical reason for you to take over after Lanius dies.
     
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  5. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    That's ridiculous. In an organization built on strength and the APPEARANCE of strength, the moment you actually started personally winning battles would begin the moment that rank would cease to matter. It's not an organization like the NCR but a place built on tribal law and perception of power.

    Coups have happened under much worse circumstances.

    Messangers don't have HUNDREDS OF KILLS to their name and the moment that happened, people would start questioning why you wouldn't be in charge because the Legion is held together solely by perception of being the best warrior.
     
  6. JO'Geran

    JO'Geran It's all JO'Ger now

    Oct 25, 2015
    Lanius appears strong, but also has the title of legate. He leads troops in to battle. Having huge amounts of troops obey his every word gives him power, and you can very easily imagine him.

    Some random dude can't just win one battle for the legion, then turn on the boss, and expect everything to be ok.

    Hell, I'd say its far more likely that Lucius takes over after Lanius. I mean, he commands the personal bodyguards of Caesar and is a well-trusted advisor.
    Coups usually involve generals turning there troops on the government. People with military power using that to take over.

    You are literally just one courier, who the Legion consider an outsider. If you just turned around and stabbed Lanius in the throat, the Legionaries wouldn't just figure "Shit, I guess he's in control now", they'd probably deem you a traitor.
     
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  7. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    On the other hand, the lands owned by that 'monster' are safer, better regulated and have a stabler economy.

    Sure, the Legion is morally bankrupt (especially with the standards of the NCR in mind) but having some form of brutal rule over an untamed region is a lot better than the chaotic anarchy the region was in (to the point where a accidental mis-translation could result in being put to death by savage tribals i.e the incident that led to the creation of the Legion). It's a lot more creative and varied to use ancient civilization as the basis of a society plus with how primitive society in Legion lands are, the society of ancient civilization would appeal to them more than the modern societies and standards of the NCR.

    I get that vibe too since even in the endings, all the Courier gets is a special coin, minted to commemorate their service to the Legion, rather than any titles or positions in the Legion (though at least the coin was distributed as part of Legion currency). So, the Courier gaining control over the Legion is highly unlikely (or rather next to impossible).
     
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  8. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    Albeit, the face of Caesar on the coins of the Empire was meant to show the soldiers who their loyalty was to be to.
     
  9. Risewild

    Risewild Vault Fossil
    Modder

    Jun 14, 2014
    The coins honor great feats/people, not who the soldiers should worship.
    For example, the denarius depicts Caesar, Joshua Graham and Bill Calhoun on it. Are you telling me that the Legion should worship Bill Calhoun or even Joshua Graham? Who Caesar blamed for the defeat on Boulder City and tried to kill by coat him in pitch, set him on fire and throw him into the Grand Canyon by the Praetorian Guard?

    The legion soldiers are fanatics, they would not follow a simple soldier that joined the legion ranks just a couple of weeks/months ago.
    That's pretty much the same as saying that if a rookie soldier killed Genghis Khan they would become the next Khan, if a rookie soldier killed the roman emperor they would become the next emperor or if a rookie soldier killed a former king in any kingdom they would become the next king.
    It doesn't matter what the Courier did while at the service of the Legion, it still doesn't compare to what Legates did during their entire service to the Legion for example.

    If Caesar survives, he never bestows any title upon the Courier, that is how much the Legion supports him. Everyone else that distinguished themselves in the Legion gets promoted, but the Courier just gets a picture on a coin.
    For the Legion soldiers the Courier is just some person that followed Caesar's orders and got the job done, just like any other at the service of Caesar.
    Not to mention if the Courier is a woman, there is no way a female courier would become the Legion leader ever.
     
  10. rockitten

    rockitten First time out of the vault

    Jan 22, 2017
    If courier is a woman, the most likely "title" Caesar will give her is "the personal bitch of Caesar".........

    TBH, in Fallout world, there shouldn't be so many women working/wandering outside, not only because they are easier prey, but also because it is a measure to prevent impregnated women exposed too much radiation.

    And that's probably the biggest flaw of Legion's treatment of women: they are more likely to have defected babies by feeding wrong food or wrong place to their "breeding whores".
     
  11. Risewild

    Risewild Vault Fossil
    Modder

    Jun 14, 2014
    That is why Caesar doesn't allow women to fight and separates them into supportive roles.
    Since they have a high infant mortality due to low level medical care Caesar keeps women away from dangerous roles so they can keep breeding over and over.
    If women died fighting while children die a lot, the Legion numbers would start to dwindle very fast and would collapse all by itself.