The flaw of Fallout 4 is not the writing or world-building

Discussion in 'Fallout 4' started by CT Phipps, Nov 25, 2017.

  1. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    The Hoover Dam isn't important because of the water, it's important because of the power. Electrical power, that is.
     
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  2. Arnust

    Arnust Maybe you've seen it, maybe, in a dream...

    Feb 2, 2016
    Character buildup and development? Nah, let's put a throwaway line for people to squeeze all the character they can from!

    Also, yeah people hardly have that much of an issue with water as in Fo3 and the classics (nevermind how it's stupid that they do as much in 3 but whatever). You know, the restoring of infrastructure and appliance in a bigger scale of thousands year old substenance techniques, trade and the geography which has easy access to the 5th biggest river in the United States.
     
  3. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    House is also selling water from it too.

    In real life, perishable water is actually sort of an enormous issue. In large portions of Africa, people can't build infrastructure because THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH water.

    https://thewaterproject.org/water-crisis/water-in-crisis-south-africa

    And this is the modern developed world not a post-nuclear hellhole.
     
  4. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    No we can't. There is nothing in the game to hint at what he could possibly want.
    And another thing if the enclave is so hopelessly destroyed in 2. There can't be that many left and from what we see in raven rock there really aren't. There's a couple hundred at best. Also "helicopters" Fucking hell. .. also what outposts you mean this random groups of enclave in super random retarded and super unstrategic or pointless places?
    Nope but it's made pretty clear they need it to generate electricity for the strip and monorail. Not to mention mining operations.

    The difference between 3 and the others is you have to guess and make up motivations based on nothing except "well this woulda made sense if they wrote it in"
     
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  5. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    Do you actually remember the game?



    See 40.

    He says he wants the Purifier and why.

    That doesn't make sense as a critique since a 100 years have passed. That's 5 fucking generations of people. 32 people can be born from 2 people (assuming they're inbred as fuck) and if there's a couple of hundred people who fled to Raven Rock from the oil well or evacuating Navarro, that's potentially thousands of people.

    Project Purity is just an anti-radiation machine.

     
  6. Valdetiosi

    Valdetiosi It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Jul 14, 2017

    So Autumn just says "hand me purifier" and assist me upon this stuff and repeats it few times, shoots a scientist and demands again?
    So basically he wants it cause it's owned by Enclave?
     
  7. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    100 years have passed?
    What do you mean? Fallout 3 takes place 36 years after Fallout 2.
    In New Vegas, which takes place after Fallout 3, you meet people that were stationed in Navarro and the Oil Rig.
    Fallout 3 is over a hundred years after Fallout 1, but that doesn't really have any connection, right?
     
  8. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    Sorry, you're actually completely correct and I am wrong.

    Got my timeline seriously screwed up there.

    But yes, it seems they evacuated ahead of the NCR in this timeline. I assume in this canon, the Chosen One didn't convince one of the Enclave scientists to poison everyone.
     
  9. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    I'm sorry but once again the game doesn't acknowledge any of this and you're explanation seems a bit contrived. Also not even near 100 years have passed. Iirc col autumn was stationed at Navarro.
    > is anti radiation machine
    > emits a retarded amount of radiation.

    Also that video tell me nothing. GIVE ME THE MACHINE is not a motivation.
     
  10. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    There's other documents too where they talk about how Autumn wants to use it to leverage the Capital Wasteland to swear allegiance to the Enclave.

    But....I assume everyone KNOWS this.

    The game has been out for a decade.
     
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  11. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    Source? I remember some vague terminal that says he doesn't like eden but beyond that nothing.
     
  12. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
  13. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    So we have a very evil man who wants to help the masses despite shooting everyone on site?
    GG

    Why would he want to take over? To rebuild America? Clearly he'd see that the NCR have already done that. He doesn't view civilians as mutants. Based on his opinions and goals instead of fleeing in 2 he'd more likely try to assimilate into NCR.
     
  14. Prone Squanderer

    Prone Squanderer A bit of a Sillius Soddus.

    Jan 3, 2016
    Them being poorly written is the point? We're told by Shaun that the Institute is mankind's only hope, yet it's not clear how exactly they plan to go about doing it. The only things they're doing is making synth people and gorillas and telling us that the topside world is doomed.

    I've argued this before, it ended with a near-migraine.

    His father was, not the Colonel Autumn in game.
     
  15. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    Fallout 3 fans have been arguing Autumn's evil for years.

    The Enclave has always wanted to rebuild America. He just isn't a racist tool like most of his kind. He's still a murderous thug.
     
  16. Arnust

    Arnust Maybe you've seen it, maybe, in a dream...

    Feb 2, 2016
    Let me bookmark this for further use... :mrgreen:

    I just stumbled upon this Beaty I hadn't read yet, probably is very appropiate: http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=10267
     
  17. NMLevesque

    NMLevesque Commie Ghost

    Jul 2, 2016
    Hoover dam is important for lots of reasons. The NCR is indicated to be in need of more farmland, of which Vegas has plenty. Which is irrigated with local water sources, without which there wouldn't even be ranchland. The Legion doesn't want it for electricity. It's just a symbol for Caesar. He wants Vegas, and he wants to defeat the NCR. Sabotaging the dam is fine with him. Can't say as I recall him indicating any interest in electricity. Also, dams don't work without water...

    Colonel Autumn believes that the Enclave is America (e.g "I am sworn to protect the Presidency. The chain of command must be upheld"), as is the Enclave norm. There is no joining another faction for him, and the NCR doesn't even count as America being rebuilt in general either. Similar, inspired by in part, sure.

    His motivations are more fleshed out than in just that video.
    "You know why. We can't start the purifier without it. The longer the purifier isn't running, the more people suffer."
    "The American people are worth fighting for. The future must be secured. I won't let you stand in the way of that."
    "People of the Capital Wasteland. I am Colonel Autumn. By now, you have encountered Enclave troops in your towns, in your settlements. When you see the Enclave, you see the United States government. We are authorized to restore order and civility, by any means necessary. Just stay out of the way and let us do our job. Interfere with the Enclave's mission, and you will be dealt with. Harshly."
    "Once you're dead, we'll finish off this pathetic Brotherhood and become the true saviors of the Wasteland."
    https://fallout.gamepedia.com/Augustus_Autumn's_dialogue

    In order to remove radiation you actually need to concentrate it somewhere first. It doesn't just poof away in the ether. The real life meds for this are basically just molecules that tend to soak up radiation, so your body can pass it. It's similar to how a fridge is an anti-heat device, but there is no destroying heat so it has to concentrate it in order to create local cooling. So if a machine could purify an entire river, then it stands to reason that there's going to be a fair bit of concentrated radiation. If it leaks or isn't properly vented, perhaps due to incompetence or improper management (both are likely), then it could go where it's not wanted.
     
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  18. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    My opinion of Colonel Autumn is he is indicative of a spectrum of evil in Fallout or at least differences of motivations. He doesn't want to murder all of the Wastelanders the way Dick Richardson does but he still views them as primitive and "lesser" beings which allows him to kill with impunity.

    Ultimately, like Caesar, he is a well-intentioned extremist and there's a bit of irony which could have been explored that Arthur Maxson is closer to a Enclave soldier like Autumn than a BOS soldier.

    Indeed, that was one of the biggest and most frustrating parts of the game for Fallout 3 fans. They had created a fascinating breakaway organization from the West Coast Brotherhood of Steel, had them succeed against the Enclave, and then become an Empire. However, following up these factoids in Fallout 4 was completely overlooked.

    How IS the region doing?
    What happened to everyone?
    Is there any way to mitigate what they're doing?
    Why isn't the Lone Wanderer mentioned at all?

    For people emotionally invested in Fallout 3's story, it's an enormous copout at best and an active middle finger to the fans at worst.
    Because there were a LOT of people who cared about the characters, world, and story of Fallout 3.
     
  19. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    5 caps per kilowat hour of electricity or gallon of water.

    *checks the treaty*