The Guns and Ammo Thread

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Kalessin, May 4, 2006.

  1. JohnnyEgo

    JohnnyEgo Mostly Harmless

    Oct 22, 2007
    Yep. Got built into this:

    Zombies aren't really a thing for me. In my youth, it was Vampires, but not the angsty pre-teen kind that shimmer. No, we had angsty Tom Cruise type vampires courtesy of Anne Rice. Which really isn't much of an improvement actually, but I digress. The point is I'm mostly 'meh' on the whole Zombie thing.

    I ended up with this one through a common innovation cycle in my country's firearms industry. It's a DDLES lower, and it represented a real improvement over existing 9mm lowers a couple years back. A lot of demand, a limited supply. The manufacturer attempted to expand to meet demand, meanwhile making wild promises that the market simply could not support. Suddenly, tens of thousands of people were screaming to give DDLES their money. So DDLES took it. Soon they were using new order money to subsidize their attempt to fulfill their older promises, all while getting deeper and deeper in a production hole. Then came the angry letters, scores of complaints, state Attorneys General, civil and criminal actions, and bankruptcy. I was one of a very lucky few to get even half of what I had ordered after the creditors lined up, so even though I wasn't wild about the Zombie lower, I took it and tried to be grateful.
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  2. WillisPDunlevey

    WillisPDunlevey Mildly Dipped

    Feb 2, 2010
    Its nice to see that one of them actually made it into a customers hands and got built!
  3. GonZo_626

    GonZo_626 Well Shit!

    Jul 29, 2016
    "Heavily regulated" is still better than none at all. I know as I deal with the heavy regulation already for my 1911, and AR-15. Both are restricted with magazine caps and registered. Plus due to the whole restricted part I get a criminal record check done against me every 24hrs. Fun times. About the only thing we have better in Canada is for short barrel shotguns, no tax stamp!
    Well I guess we are better then California as I would not want to deal with a fixed mag or bullet button on my AR.
  4. WillisPDunlevey

    WillisPDunlevey Mildly Dipped

    Feb 2, 2010
    Here is my X-Mas gun- Vector V53 (HK-53 clone). I submitted my form 1 a couple of days after I got it home.
    It will have a Choate side folder in about 5 months (more or less).

    I also have a .308 version on the way and will get the same treatment (HK51 SBR)
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  5. WillisPDunlevey

    WillisPDunlevey Mildly Dipped

    Feb 2, 2010
    12633667_570540736436438_3233559009026136767_o.jpg This is my Arsenal Strike one. I ordered the super speed version (cut out slide and porting, match trigger, multi spring recoil assembly and "most aggressive stippling available")
    13975315_660800300743814_5170567602830766475_o.jpg Strike one next to a 1860 army conversion I did (Used a 1851 navy grip). Black powder converted to .45LC 10511474_394866274003886_4328108238633345995_o.jpg Sten collection- not sure if I ever posted that before. 13937937_658688514288326_7152010320774070053_o.jpg Bad phone pic of the 1860 conversion. This has a 5.5" barrel. I also have a 3" and 7.5" barrel that can be swapped out in about 30 seconds. uberti-1873-thunderer-a96-951-1.jpg_thumbnail0.jpg My wife got one of these in .357 because a friend gave her 1500rds of misc .38 special ammo that was "surrendered/abandoned" at his gun shop and they did not want to sell it.
  6. JohnnyEgo

    JohnnyEgo Mostly Harmless

    Oct 22, 2007
    Congratulations on your V53. I think they are really nice guns. MP5 form-factor with a lot more reach. I was pricing out available sear packs, which are around $28K at the moment, and realizing this is probably not the year. That said, if I ever do pick one up, I will definitely want a 53 as a host.

    I hope you are right, but I think you are ambitious on the stamp time-frame. I've had a Form 1 pending since May, and two cans in the pipeline since July and August. Perhaps when they get over the uptick from everyone trying to get in before 41F in July, they will pick up the pace a little.
  7. WillisPDunlevey

    WillisPDunlevey Mildly Dipped

    Feb 2, 2010
    I probably am being a bit ambitious on time- hoping for 6 months though.

    If you are looking for a sear pack, there is/was one on GB - post sample but the seller is getting rid of their license so any SOT can buy it as if it was a pre sample. ~1K IIRC.

    Franklin armoury is going to have a H&K binary trigger pack out this year for ~$450 or so the SHOT show rumor mill says.
  8. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    May 27, 2004
    I've always been on the fence for them. I mean, for me they are the original SWAT carbine.
    But the recoil impulse is kinda weird and the lack of automatic BHO kinda irks me.
    Why not the collapsible stock though? Sidefolders don't do the HK53 look justice imo.
    Well, that's one way to get rid of your arm hair. ;)
  9. WillisPDunlevey

    WillisPDunlevey Mildly Dipped

    Feb 2, 2010
    I don't like the feel of the collapsible stocks on my cheek (same as underfolding AK stocks).
    I will make an exception for the 9mm MP-40 copy once the price comes down (not paying bidding war prices on gunbroker)

    The 5.56 and 7.62 versions of the MP-5 will be pretty fun to shoot. They were each much less than the 9mm version (go figure).
    I got the 5.56 for $1600 and the 7.62 version for $1275.
    I will probably end up picking up a Turkish 9mm at some point so i have a cheap version to shoot.
  10. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne Orderite of Chaos Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    That 1860 is nice @WillisPDunlevey and I agree with collapsible stocks. I don't care much for them. The ones I have used don't feel the same. I guess I like more stability.
  11. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    May 27, 2004
    If you care about comfort, you don't get a HK53 or HK51 though. ;)
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  12. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne Orderite of Chaos Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    Hell I want one of those just to have one.
  13. WillisPDunlevey

    WillisPDunlevey Mildly Dipped

    Feb 2, 2010
    I am ok with the recoil, I just dont like the feel of the HK telescoping stocks or AK underfolders.
  14. JohnnyEgo

    JohnnyEgo Mostly Harmless

    Oct 22, 2007
    I am heading out to work for the next month or so, so I did a little maintenance for storage yesterday on some of my harder-used pistols that hadn't had a cleaning in a while.

    I didn't have the time or inclination to do a full cleaning on any of them, so they just get a Boresnake through the barrel, a few drops of oil on the frame rails and barrel hood, and a wipe-down of the exterior with RIG, which is a light preservative grease.

    I did have to clean the hell out of my 77/44, because it is very sensitive to being dirty, and chunks of carbon and lead were literally dropping out of the magazine and barrel.
    This is the dirtiest gun I own, and will foul itself within 100 rounds if you aren't careful. It's also a real pain to clean. I ended up corking it and filling it with MPro7 and letting it soak overnight.

    Clean MPro on the left, MPro after the 77/44 on the right. It took 40 patches to finally get all the crap out of the ported barrel.
  15. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dark side in da houssah

    Nov 22, 2009
    You really think M14 and the "M-family" is bad for, say, forest, desert or jungle? We've all heard how M-16 was inferior to AK-47 but I always thought that M-14 was pretty rugged. I think that some US forces still use it for sniper and breaching tasks due to the bigger round.
  16. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    May 27, 2004
    If you bed your action on an M14 to increase its accuracy, you will likely have to re-bed if you knock it into a tree or drop it on the ground.
    As for reliability? Well, the M14 does not like mud. Though I'm not sure what effect fine sand has.

    The M14 is nowhere near as rugged as an AR15 or an AKM.

    The AKM's reputation comes from the fact it can be abused (no proper maintenance) and it will still keep firing. Any major failure of an AKM can usually be resolved with a hammer, a block of wood and a cleaning rod.
    However, the AKM has large openings in the receiver, which means mud etc can more readily get into it than for some other guns. If that happens, the gun is by no means magical and will start getting issues.

    The AR15's advantage is that the receiver is closed down and that it has a very simple action. This means that fairly little debris gets into the gun as long as you carry it with the dust cover closed & the charging handle stowed. You do need to maintain it properly and lube it is directed.
    However, the AR15 itself is rather weak to abuse. It's not too hard to warp a stock extension or handguard, resulting in making the gun useless.

    So in broad generalizing terms, you can put an AR15 through a bath of mud, and it'll be far more likely to continue to fire reliably than an AKM. But if you drive over both with a jeep, your AR15 is far more likely to be ruined than an AK. Most likely, the AK still fires fine and if it's a bit warped you can knock it back into shape (obviously not a good thing for accuracy or long term durability, but it'll likely work).

    The M14 does not do well at any of this.
    None of this should keep you from owning an M14 if you like that type of weapon. You'll be using it at the range, not in a bath of mud with cars driving over it.
  17. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dark side in da houssah

    Nov 22, 2009
    What if it's a 'military' or rugged civilian use sporterized M14 that has a rugged stock etc. Will it still be fragile and prone to jamming?

    I know in the Vietnam war they used M14 and that type of rifles as battle rifles and also in sniper roles.
  18. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    Nothing likes mud getting inside.
    I know I've seen this happen and the AR-15 worked fine. As always it depends on the quality of the gun if it going to survive something like that.
  19. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Totally independent test showing how the M4 blows up and the HK416 does not after being submerged in water:

    Also included, DAS BOOT
  20. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    May 27, 2004
    I am not familiar enough with modern stocks for the M14 to say anything about that. I suppose a JAE-100 or EBR might be less prone to bedding issues than the original wood and polymer stocks.
    A good stock will not keep your rifle from jamming when exposed to extreme conditions though.
    M14 designated marksman rifles are still in use today.
    But I'd suspect every designated marksman would prefer being handed a SCAR mk17 (or SSR) or HK417.
    But that shouldn't keep you from owning an M14 as a civilian.
    True, but some guns are especially prone to issues due to their design.
    As said explicitly, I was speaking in general terms. Sample size of one is not what I was going for.
    That's a bad reason to prefer the HK416 over the M4 though. Everyone who handles an M4 knows not to shoot with water in the barrel. You cant the rifle downwards to let it drain as you come up. This allows sufficient water to drain to start shooting.
    (obviously not a good weapon for a combat diver)