What do you want for the SPECIAL system in Fallout 5?

Discussion in 'Future Fallout Game Discussion' started by Ben Soto, Jun 5, 2017.

  1. Ben Soto

    Ben Soto Professional Salt Shaker

    Jul 7, 2014
    What do you want for SPECIAL in the next Fallout game?

    -Return to the original system for statistics. You assign all your SPECIAL points at the beginning of the game and you have to either use a perk or get an implant to increase them.

    -Ditch the point-based skill system and go for a tier-based one. You get a certain number of points and you can spend them to upgrade your skill tier. Each tier would require a certain number of points and not all skills would have the same number of tiers. A skill like Guns might have eight tiers, a skill like Science or Lockpick might have only five. Upgrading your skills might both increase your effectiveness with certain equipment or tasks (Increasing Guns gives you more damage, Medicine makes chems more effective, et cetera) or give you a small perk. If settlement building or crafting are brought back, your ability to craft items and structures will be dependent on your skill tier, not a perk. This system would better reward the player and also avoid the issue of "don't put just one point into Lockpick."

    -You get a perk point every couple of levels (3, maybe) that gives you a perk like previous games. Certain perks will have SPECIAL or skill requirements.

    -At the beginning of the game, you pick two Traits, ala Fallout: New Vegas.

    -If Wild Wasteland is a thing, it's an option like Hardcore/Survival mode, not a Trait.
  2. Ediros

    Ediros Vault Dweller

    Feb 4, 2016
    Replace with it with PERFECT set all stats at 10 and done. Who wants to waste time and money when you can be perfect?

    Jokes aside, I have a feeling it will be even worse than in shitout 4.
  3. Black Angel

    Black Angel Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus

    Mar 21, 2016
    I don't think we could ever discuss this kind of thing anymore, especially with the rumors floating around that Bethesda is trying to fit TES with Fallout....
  4. Norzan

    Norzan Vault Dweller

    Apr 7, 2017
    Gonna be surprised if it is in Fallout 5 at all. Probably gonna replace it with some extremely simplistic system because they are gonna say the SPECIAL system is far too "complex".
  5. 3160b0

    3160b0 First time out of the vault

    Dec 16, 2015
    • Assign special at the start, which can only be changed temporarily through item effects (clothing/armor/drugs/etc.)
    • Bring back traits, but where good traits add points and bad traits remove points until you reach 0 (similar to traditional Fallout traits but you'd have much more fine control when building a character you'd enjoy)
    • Kill experience, it's meaningless already anyway, instead increase skills though world interactions (you found a very rare intact Big Book of Science/that guard you just spoke to runs a pistol match, he may be willing to impart some of his knowledge for a fee). This rewards exploration, something Bethesda does pretty well, and gives the world some character.
    • Perks should unlock naturally when you increase your skills. A character high in lockpick, for example, doesn't need to crack that lock because they can abuse the safe harmonics and Fonz their way in, but they aren't going to know that if they've never practiced breaking a safe lock.
    This allows a lot of customization for your character but it's still simple enough for any idiot to figure it out, improves interactions with the world without too much additional writing, allows you to limit "checks" to just special stats if you want, and lets you better control the flow of the game (you have to interact with early game characters or explore early game areas to some extent before you can survive late game areas). The skills would need a bit of work, some purging and some additions, but this in combination with the ability to say no sometimes would provide predictable improvements to your character regardless of your playstyle, and even give some room for interesting min-maxing.
  6. Kohno

    Kohno Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Jul 30, 2009
    Since the series is already part of the ES franchise in all practical senses and there's no going back, it probably wouldn't hurt to add an element of learn by doing from TES to catch up with that background drive for the character to do stuff. Since, yeah, the ES gameplay without it is just boring. Not designed like ES verbatim though, where the heart of the progression is the skill grind, but as a complementary system at the background that still keeps the crux of character advancement on getting XP from quests and point buy at level up (plus perks when eligible). Wizardry 8 has a good example of such system.

    Doesn't matter, though. The new game's years away and I won't be buying it anyway (unless there's some sort of 8th wonder of the world type miracle).
  7. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    To revert back to the system in New Vegas or even, Fallout 1/2's system while completely scrapping 4's sad excuse of a system.

    Knowing Bethesda and their ideas for innovation, I will be expecting something far worse than what we have in 4 and that's the terrifying bit.
  8. Ben Soto

    Ben Soto Professional Salt Shaker

    Jul 7, 2014
    @Kohno You never know. I'm still holding out hope for another company to get the license and get it sent out this year.
  9. naossano

    naossano Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 19, 2006
    Not even expecting Fallout 5 to have any kind of SPECIAL even distant reference.
  10. rockitten

    rockitten It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Jan 22, 2017
    Sometime, I think the SPECIAL should be locked (or Capped)by certain limit: If you are a bookworm from start, no matter how much you try, you would never become a muscle guy/chick; and if you are an a$$hole from the start, you won't become a nice guy during play through.

    AKA, what's your character design DICTATED your whole play-through.
  11. Ben Soto

    Ben Soto Professional Salt Shaker

    Jul 7, 2014
    I think you do need some leyway to fix character mistakes, especially on your first playthrough.
  12. Kohno

    Kohno Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    Jul 30, 2009
    I gave up on that years ago. I'm quite positive they will not outsource the franchise again (at least ouside of their ownership), especially now that they have two studios.
  13. BDI898

    BDI898 First time out of the vault

    Aug 13, 2017
    Well I hope the Skyrim skill system isn't used in the next Bethesda Fallout game