What's your favorite moment from New Vegas?

Discussion in 'Fallout: New Vegas Discussion' started by MojaveMoproblems, Dec 7, 2016.

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  1. R.Graves

    R.Graves Functionally Defective

    Apr 21, 2016
    the problems I had with fallout 3?

    • bad voice acting
    • no traits
    • plot-holes out the wazoo
    • made up of 100% recycled ideas
    • there aren't any interesting characters apart from moira and daring dashwood, and if we include DLC, Ashur.
    • every old man has the same voice.
    • no iron sights
    • gunplay is too simplistic and clunky (NV added new weapons and ammo variety)
    • terribly designed worldspace (if anything is fallout it's a well designed sensical worldspace)
    • runs on a simple DR armor system.
    • everything's a shooting gallery
    • few characters have a believable motivation
    • simplistic morality
    • dumb choices (see, power of the atom)
    • only 4 locations are relevant to the plot in the game.
    • a grand total of two endings.
    • DLC de-canonizes both endings. now the game has no ending.
    • aliens are canon
    • all super mutants are either insane or are going insane.
    • shits all over lore for no good reason.
    honestly, I could go on forever. on the up side it did introduce me the Andrews sisters. they were the shit.
     
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  2. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    No, the homages to Fallout 3 from Veronica.

    I love Fallout 3 and would be giddy to know if there's any mentions I missed.
     
  3. R.Graves

    R.Graves Functionally Defective

    Apr 21, 2016
    I don't understand what you see in that game. I just don't get it. I'm pretty sure those are the only two references in the game, thank god.
     
  4. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    It's a fun game about saving the world from a post-apocalypse shitstorm and helping build a new society from the ruins. If killing Mad Max-esque bandits and powered armored Nazis is wrong, I don't want to be right.
     
  5. R.Graves

    R.Graves Functionally Defective

    Apr 21, 2016
    I didn't have any fun with the game on account of it's terrible. also bandits in mad max had motivations unlike the ones in fallout 3. also the game is poorly written and plays like butthole. also its nowhere near about building a new society...
     
  6. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    Okay then we disagree.
     
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  7. Prone Squanderer

    Prone Squanderer A bit of a Sillius Soddus.

    Jan 3, 2016
    If you were the one deciding which faction you could join/fight against in New Vegas, which would you pick: Caesar's Legion or the Enclave?
     
  8. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    Are you asking me which I'd side with: Caesar or Enclave? I'd choose the Enclave since they're not a bunch of rapist misogynist slavers.

    If you'd ask me which should be the villain in NV, I'd say Caesar's Legion.

    I like the Enclave but I think you need to spread them out. Like the BOS, you can't make them the focus of every game.
     
  9. Prone Squanderer

    Prone Squanderer A bit of a Sillius Soddus.

    Jan 3, 2016
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    Yet I get the feeling you want them to be the focus in every game.

    I am surprised though by the fact you chose Caesar's Legion.
     
  10. R.Graves

    R.Graves Functionally Defective

    Apr 21, 2016
    and what's wrong with that?

    also the enclave totally dealt in slaves and with slavers. also since when did ceasar's legion support rape?
     
  11. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    ?

    I don't think the Enclave ever dealt with slavers. Though, honestly, genocide is worse than slavery so siding with either is kind of awful of me. As for the rape business, that kind of was all over the place in Fallout: New Vegas. They were constantly talking about the fate of women given up as slaves to men once captured.

    To get off this, though, yeah, I support new factions in Fallout.

    I don't want constant recycling but I am cool with SOME recycling as idealogies are historically difficult to wipe out. I'd be cool with the Institute showing up again, for example, and want to see Maxons' BOS. I just don't want them to dominate the game.
     
  12. Prone Squanderer

    Prone Squanderer A bit of a Sillius Soddus.

    Jan 3, 2016
    They did take people as slaves though, they took people from Redding to excavate Mariposa.
     
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  13. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    I think part of my perception on these forums is warped by the fact I agree with a lot of what is being said but because I love the Enclave, enjoyed Mothership Zeta, am a huge fan of Fallout 3, mostly enjoyed Fallout 4 but found it disappointing compared to NV/Fallout 3, and love Skyrim that I'm defined by these qualities versus the other elements of Fallout I enjoy.

    I mean, we could talk about Honest Hearts, Dead Money, Ulysses, and the Powder Gangers and I suspect my conversation would not be substantially different from everyone else. I really enjoyed the moral choice between Daniel and Joshua Graham for example. In real life, I'm a pacifist and would hate to see any kind of conflict but the National Park is a place where human survival is at stake. I sympathized with Daniel's views even as he was also infantalizing the Natives.

    Certainly, I despise Caesar's Legion but I could argue that they make a twisted kind of sense but for the misogyny and slavery. We want conquering dictators who solve all of our problems. House provides that, though, without the anti-intellectualism and sexism as well as destruction of human rights. But then if you're the kind of guy who wants a conquering dictator, why not become one yourself?

    I love House but the question always comes down to, "Why be the Boss' main goon instead of the Boss?"

    I have a huge number of favorite moments from the game, though. They also vary between my characters.

    Notably, I've played NV three or four times with:

    * The Lone Gunslinger (Independent)
    * Agent 47 (Mister House)
    * Gordon Freeman (NCR/Independent)

    I wonder, for example, how many people would be surprised to know New Vegas is my all time favorite of the Fallout franchise? I consider it a superior game to Fallout 3 and probably my 3rd favorite game of all time after the Witcher 3 and Skyrim.

    Maybe 4th as V:TM: Bloodlines is better until the final third of the game when it's pants. NV and Bloodlines just edges out Deus Ex: Human Revolution because of length and replayability. Fallout 3 fights those but ultimately, isn't anywhere as good as NV. I still love it, though.
     
  14. R.Graves

    R.Graves Functionally Defective

    Apr 21, 2016
    a joke...

    they had dealings with Metzger.
    didn't know that one.
     
  15. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    Ah well, then fuck the Enclave. :)
     
  16. Prone Squanderer

    Prone Squanderer A bit of a Sillius Soddus.

    Jan 3, 2016
    This probably sounds crazy to most, but I prefer being the right-hand rather than the boss.
     
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  17. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    There's definitely something to be said for it. My Agent 47 analogue was a former hitman from New Reno who wanted to get out of the killing people game but failed miserably, so he ended up serving as one again. He was going to work with NCR but ironically, the Divide showed him he'd done something horrible and needed to do something he hoped would actually make up for it.

    That meant serving House because he really did buy Edward could save the world.

    It also inspired him to spare Lanius because as monstrous as that guy was, he didn't want the chaos of the Old World coming back to the East.

    All headcanon but the game facilitated my interpretation and allowed me to play that way.
     
  18. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    Favorite moments of New Vegas:

    * Talking with the Great Khans about their legacy.

    * Wiping out the Powder Gangers in the Prison Assault

    * Wiping out Caesar's entire camp with Boon

    * Wiping out the Fiends (this is becoming a Pattern) as well as their faction heads

    * Meeting Mister House for the first time

    * The entire questline with the Boomers and convincing them I'm not a savage

    * Convincing the Ghoul Lady to keep the Vault Plant Growth research

    * Choosing to save the crops instead of the imprisoned Vault Dwellers--ouch, painful

    * The ending to Veronica's questline where I blew up the BoS

    * The ending to Veronica's questline where I suggested she stay

    * Helping Boone get his vengeance for his dead wife

    * Taking Boone to various places to help him get closure

    * Just generally hanging around Rose and wishing she was a romance option

    * Enjoying my home in the Lucky 38

    * Helping the refugee camp at Bitter Springs

    * Seeing Mister House by Liberty Prime--FALLOUT 3 IS CANON!

    * Convincing a certain Ranger the cause it still viable

    * Hanging around Arcade Ganon

    * Recruiting the Remnants

    * The genuinely difficult choice between sparing or killing Legate Lanius

    * Meeting Marcus at the Bunny Slope

    * Hanging around Sunny Smiles and Doc. I'd like to live in Goodsprings if not the Lucky 38.

    * Just hanging around Sarah Weintraub. A very much "non-romance" but I like her character
    anyway.

    * The entirety of the business with the White Glove Society

    * Rescuing that slave from Gammorah then murdering their bosses because screw those guys.

    * Convincing but not completely, Joshua Graham to dial it down a notch

    * Everything with the Big Empty

    * Talking with Ulysses when he's not completely crazy pants.
     
  19. Skelok

    Skelok Mad Man with a Mad Plan

    Jul 23, 2015
    The ending of Dead Money.
     
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  20. naossano

    naossano Vault Fossil

    Oct 19, 2006
    I don't recall the Enclave directly dealing with Metzger, but i recall Metzger using a radio to spy conversations between New Reno and the Enclave, and the Salvatores dealing with the Enlcave.

    On the other hand, it makes sense for the Enclave to use slaves if need be. They don't consider the average wastelander as human. There is no reason for them to have second thought on using them in any way they want.