Should the Legion be compared to Nazi Germany?

Sn1p3r187

Sn1p3r187

Carolinian Shaolin Monk
Me and a friend had this discussion yesterday. We judged that the NCR is facing the problem of expansion by being spread to far and too thin, suffering from incompetent politicians and senators, the basic issues that comes from imperialism. But as Ulysses said for the Legion "Once it takes over the NCR and spreads to the Pacific, the Legion will turn on itself and die". Well he may have not worded it like that it kinda reminded me of Nazi Germany. Did the people follow Hitler and not his ideals? Similar to Caesar. Will they face the problem of expansion in about 20 years and won't be able to secure their new found territories? Likely, similar to Nazi Germany waging a war on the Eastern front. They couldn't secure the East because of Polish and Russian resistance.
So much that they expended most of their resources to fighting on the eastern front that by 1944, the Western front fell. Which is likely what would happen to the Legion if they expanded far west and took over the NCR. They would fight an unpopular war with the NCR in the west, they wouldn't be able to secure territory. They would spend so much on resources to fighting in the west that they'll face civil unrest in East likely from slaves and disappointed commanders. And when they manage to reach Shady Sands or San Francisco. The Legion will turn on itself and die out. Some what similar to Nazi Germany. So tell me, what do you guys think? Should it be compared?
 
I don't think the Legion would see any major resistance from their own people, potential resistance groups have been assimilated, for the most part, and slaves are kept under very strict regulations.
When Caesar dies, sure, the Legion might tear itself apart but that'd be more comparable to the Mongol empire after Mongke Khan, when the formerly united empire turned into several Khanates.
Besides, you bring up the problem of Germany splitting itself between two fronts, the Legion doesn't have that problem, they've (probably) fully conquered their territory and only have the Eastern front to worry about.
 
I onetime compared the Legion to Nazis and I was told that I shouldn't compare a fictional dictatorship to real life one because it was offensive. I'm not going to state the obvious on how stupid that was, so I'll just say it's an interesting thought experiment.
 
Theres some superficial comparisons to be made but besides that they're totally different. Only thing they have in common really are dictatorships and use of ancient Roman imagery.
 
Paladin Waffles said:
I onetime compared the Legion to Nazis and I was told that I shouldn't compare a fictional dictatorship to real life one because it was offensive. I'm not going to state the obvious on how stupid that was, so I'll just say it's an interesting thought experiment.
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That's kinda dumb. How is it actually offensive? Do they think you're undermining hitler's evil with that of a fictional faction in a fictional setting?
 
That's an awful comparison, ISIS is a religious extremist group, the Legion's a monocultural dictatorship, ISIS doesn't have any explicit or accepted land holdings or citizenry, the Legion has a fuck tonne of land and citizens. The only fair comparison is that they both use extreme actions in order to inspire terror, but it's not like that's unique to either of the groups.
 
The Legion is more of a terrorist group than an armed empire. Yes, Nazi Germany followed Hitler and not his ideals, many German troops were blind and believed Hitler, but Nazi Germany didn't keep slaves and worshipped Roman Gods.
 
If any faction has a commonality with the Nazis it would be the enclave compared to the SS.

The legion is more in line to a marauding group of slavers or a roman legion than something as intense as the Nazis. You have to remember that the Legion has rejected pretty much all tech, which is the opposite of what the Nazis did.

Enclave = SS
NCR = Frontier expansionist America
Legion = Roman Legion
 
The Legion? Hell no, they're like Genghis Khan. Brutal at war and brutal at looting but capable of making an empire with laws and safety.
 
Dr Fallout said:
The Legion? Hell no, they're like Genghis Khan. Brutal at war and brutal at looting but capable of making an empire with laws and safety.
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meh that's suck.

at least genghis khan provide slightly limited religious freedom in his conquered land.
 
Einhanderc7 said:
If any faction has a commonality with the Nazis it would be the enclave compared to the SS.

The legion is more in line to a marauding group of slavers or a roman legion than something as intense as the Nazis. You have to remember that the Legion has rejected pretty much all tech, which is the opposite of what the Nazis did.

Enclave = SS
NCR = Frontier expansionist America
Legion = Roman Legion
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I usually compare NCR with a "better" version of the soviet union.
 
Nah the Legion fits it better. We have the soviet (Vulpes, Lucius and Lanius) and the chairman, Stali... I mean Caesar.
 
Dr Fallout said:
Nah the Legion fits it better. We have the soviet (Vulpes, Lucius and Lanius) and the chairman, Stali... I mean Caesar.
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I can't understand your logic for this simply because it makes absolutely no sense to me.

You seem biased Vs. open minded on this.

While you can say dictatorship's are all the same, the fact remains they are not. The Legion doesn't suffer in the same way the Soviet Union did, nor are they remotely similar. Having a bunch of people charging into battle does not equate to identifying as another nation because they did it during a dark time.

The NCR is a reasonable link, but even then that's reaching at the fringes of what they are simply due to their "democratic" structuring.
 
Einhanderc7 said:
I can't understand your logic for this simply because it makes absolutely no sense to me.

You seem biased Vs. open minded on this.

While you can say dictatorship's are all the same, the fact remains they are not. The Legion doesn't suffer in the same way the Soviet Union did, nor are they remotely similar. Having a bunch of people charging into battle does not equate to identifying as another nation because they did it during a dark time.

The NCR is a reasonable link, but even then that's reaching at the fringes of what they are simply due to their "democratic" structuring.
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Then let me explain this.

Yeah I am, especially since I'm somewhat proud of the achievements by the Soviet Union and Stalin. He did turn an agricultural country into an industrial superpower.

I don't. Where did you come up with that strawman? Umm... backwards technology, poor living conditions, god worship of a single man (The words 'For Stalin' say enough on the matter), purges of the military, brutality to the enemy, all powering ideology, view of the 'west' as oppressive degenerates, fighting for Humanity (or what they perceive of it), all powerful leader surrounded by his lackeys, blame shifting and targeting opponents and fucking mention of the historical dialectic!
 
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