Should the Legion be compared to Nazi Germany?

Dr Fallout said:
Then let me explain this.

Yeah I am, especially since I'm somewhat proud of the achievements by the Soviet Union and Stalin. He did turn an agricultural country into an industrial superpower.

I don't. Where did you come up with that strawman? Umm... backwards technology, poor living conditions, god worship of a single man (The words 'For Stalin' say enough on the matter), purges of the military, brutality to the enemy, all powering ideology, view of the 'west' as oppressive degenerates, fighting for Humanity (or what they perceive of it), all powerful leader surrounded by his lackeys, blame shifting and targeting opponents and fucking mention of the historical dialectic!
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North Korea? That was the only thing that came to mind.

But you fail to understand the Soviets were industrialized and were giving Germany a run for their money with advancements in weapon technology. This goes against the Legions core beliefs. Where the Soviets were originally outclassed and out maneuvered they quickly adapted and turn the war around.

The legion on the other hand employed the same tactics over and over again at the Hoover Dam. They are not adaptable, nor do they accept change.

The Legion rarely employs the use of "technology" for combat and often insults individuals who do. When you break it down, the nation the Legion has anything in common with is the Romans, which they were literally modeled after. Trying to justify any additional similarities to another nation fails simply because they can't fit.

I get that you want your favorite faction to be great, and that's wonderful. But forcing a square through a round hole won't make you right.
 
Einhanderc7 said:
North Korea? That was the only thing that came to mind.

But you fail to understand the Soviets were industrialized and were giving Germany a run for their money with advancements in weapon technology. This goes against the Legions core beliefs. Where the Soviets were originally outclassed and out maneuvered they quickly adapted and turn the war around.

The legion on the other hand employed the same tactics over and over again at the Hoover Dam. They are not adaptable, nor do they accept change.

The Legion rarely employs the use of "technology" for combat and often insults individuals who do. When you break it down, the nation the Legion has anything in common with is the Romans, which they were literally modeled after. Trying to justify any additional similarities to another nation fails simply because they can't fit.

I get that you want your favorite faction to be great, and that's wonderful. But forcing a square through a round hole won't make you right.
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Wait what?

I mentioned that already, but the thing is that they needed to advance. The reason the Legion lost is because of poor decisions, not an entirely shitty army. They're force can infiltrate far away distances, scaring the NCR at the reach that Legion soldiers can achieve. Nipton is attacked, while being far away from Legion forces. They don't need technology, unlike the Russians no one has the ability to mass manufacture, and so the Legion works around that.

Basically, you're logic is... "Legion doesn't use technology like the Soviets. All other comparisons are INVALID!"
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I get what you're saying, but you're going to have to be a bit broader then that.
 
I understand now continuing this debate is pointless. I cannot sway your opinion and that is fine.
 
Ironically enough, NSDAP actually rejected Roman law, replacing it with common German law instead. Also, unlike Caesar, they were strongly against any immigration or against importing/integrating other nations or communities into their territory.
 
valcik said:
Ironically enough, NSDAP actually rejected Roman law, replacing it with common German law instead. Also, unlike Caesar, they were strongly against any immigration or against importing/integrating other nations or communities into their territory.
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Heh. Interesting. Meanwhile the soviets had to integrate, with various cultures inside their borders... and they wanted to destroy those cultures to from the New Soviet Man...
 
Well they are/were both dictatorships.

That's pretty much it.

The Third Reich had freedom of speech, religion (although German officers were all Christian), the right to bear arms, no slavery (unless you count the Jewish work camps), modern technology. I would agree that the way life is lived in the Legion is more similar to that of the USSR than the Third Reich, but they're far from being similar to each other.
 
Veni Vidi Vici said:
The Third Reich had freedom of speech, religion (although German officers were all Christian), the right to bear arms, no slavery (unless you count the Jewish work camps), modern technology. I would agree that the way life is lived in the Legion is more similar to that of the USSR than the Third Reich, but they're far from being similar to each other.
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Dude where did you get the idea that people had freedom of speech in the Third Reich? The White Rose and moderate political parties were persecuted for criticising Hitler, not to mention the book burnings.
Also the Nazis attempted to get rid of religion, they screwed with the Jews and tried to shut down catholic churches.
See Here and, Here.
 
Im gonna say negative.

Technology wise Nazi Germany, for a time was at the bleeding edge of military tech. They may have hated certain groups but they loved their scientists and advancements.

Nazi Germany could have survived after Hitler as well if the war had gone different.

The legion is primarily built of expansionism, the Nazis as well but they had a huge degree of industy technology and infrastructure that was a core pillar of their ideology. The legion from what I have read has very little to do with their subjects day to day lives and advancements in science are not important to them

Finally, and I think this is the most important aspect, the legion either assimilates tribes into the legion or destroys them completely. If you are assimilated you ARE a part of the legion. You history is erased.

Nazis never ever operated like that...sure you coule join the Nazi party if you were say a Pole..but you could NEVER be a German...that distinction is very important between these two groups. One erases your race and history...and the other chains you with it.
 
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(I just wanted an excuse to play the Soviet national anthem. That shit is awesome.)

On the actual topic, both are totalitarian dictatorships, based around a cult of personality with its leader. Some superficial similarities, but considering that Caesar's civilisation started off as a marauder group, the Mongolian Khanate and even the Arabian Empire are more comparable.
 
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