Should NCR collapse and the games return to the West Coast?

CT Phipps

CT Phipps

Carbon Dated and Proud
I really want to do a game in the Boneyard, personally, and return to the old favorites in California. I don't want to return to play in the civilized NCR described in New Vegas though. However, I have hope for the end of NCR and its return to a feuding series of city-states, though as it's mentioned in NV that they're about to run out of food.

I think NCR collapsing due to social unrest would be great for the franchise and help underscore the themes of Fallout.

Basically, that humanity is never going to restore itself. We'll always tear down whatever is built.

Also, I'd love to revisit the old locations.

How about you?
 
This is something I can actually agree with. Have the Legion win the battle of Hoover Dam, then break up and feud among itself while the fear of a massive invasion and food shortages starts to break up the NCR.
 
Dr Fallout said:
This is something I can actually agree with. Have the Legion win the battle of Hoover Dam, then break up and feud among itself while the fear of a massive invasion and food shortages starts to break up the NCR.
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I don't think the Legion should win the Battle of Hoover Dam but it's interesting to note that expansion of territory beyond the breaking point could have resulted in NCR collapsing. Then again, I just think the Legion ending is probably the least popular one among Fallout fans.

Another possibility is canonically make the Courier fail to stop Ulysses nuke the key trading points of NCR and the Legion, which would result in their slow death as he said.

It would actually make Lonesome Road an important piece of historical lore, especially if the Divide turns out to have been a major trading partner for NCR.
 
CT Phipps said:
they're about to run out of food
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They have plenty of food. Heck Gunderson and the Brahmin barons plus Modoc's farms will ensure that food is never a concern for them unless somehow some tech (perhaps the agricultural data from Vault 22) winds up poisoning everything.

CT Phipps said:
I think NCR collapsing due to social unrest would be great for the franchise and help underscore the themes of Fallout.
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Au contraire, they would not collapse from that alone. It'll take a lot more than that, possibly General Lee Oliver becoming president plus it may be difficult to justify wiping out a faction like that. It needs a lot more to break up a relatively stable nation (i.e Legion victory at New Vegas, the administration under Kimball worsening to the point where incompetence is blatantly obvious and the NCR-Legion war worsening for the NCR etc.)
 
Perhaps have the Legion break into Lanius's faction which aims to devastate the NCR, and commonly conscripts and draws on recruits from the other factions as tribute (none of the other remnants want him to turn around and fuck them up), then you have the others like Vulpes attempt at keeping the Legion rule stable and secured.
 
Dr Fallout said:
Perhaps have the Legion break into Lanius's faction which aims to devastate the NCR, and commonly conscripts and draws on recruits from the other factions as tribute (none of the other remnants want him to turn around and fuck them up), then you have the others like Vulpes attempt at keeping the Legion rule stable and secured.
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That differing factions in the Legion idea could work in a Legion spin-off game. Plus it fits regardless of whether the Legion won or lost at Hoover Dam (my preference is that these factions emerge due to Caesar's death before making a proper heir that is aware of the truth regarding the Legion's origins - i.e inspired by ancient history long before the pre-War days).
 
CerberusGate said:
That differing factions in the Legion idea could work in a Legion spin-off game. Plus it fits regardless of whether the Legion won or lost at Hoover Dam (my preference is that these factions emerge due to Caesar's death before making a proper heir that is aware of the truth regarding the Legion's origins - i.e inspired by ancient history long before the pre-War days).
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I'd rather they win, but in doing so break up to internal feuds and Caesar's death.
 
Personally, I'd be interested if the Legion isn't too far a threat to NCR as I have difficulty buying them as an existential threat to the group.

I find Ulysses a more likely party to destroy the country.

Either that or someone wielding nukes.

Perhaps someone who destroys Shady Sands and forces its survivors to resettle.

Or we could go Old School and have Vault City or the Boneyard become secessionist. You could also have a revolt of Super Mutants if they decide to start repopulating.

Or all of the above.
 
Dr Fallout said:
I'd rather they win, but in doing so break up to internal feuds and Caesar's death.
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Like I said, it works in either situations.

If such a game is made, the developers ought to do something like KOTOR 2 and allow you to pick which outcome happened in New Vegas.
 
CT Phipps said:
The rediscovery of FEV or cultivation of it from local life.
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Except it would be a minuscule amount if cultivated from local life. Remember the theory that almost every living thing in the Wasteland may be infected by airborne FEV? Only trace samples would exist, barely sufficient to even make an entire vat of FEV. (Though I recall the Fallout Bible did reject this theory, could someone clarify this position?)

Besides, if a mutant army tried to rise again, the current NCR and the current Brotherhood may even be able to put aside their differences and band against a perceived old enemy to effectively exterminate them.
 
CerberusGate said:
They have plenty of food. Heck Gunderson and the Brahmin barons plus Modoc's farms will ensure that food is never a concern for them unless somehow some tech (perhaps the agricultural data from Vault 22) winds up poisoning everything.
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Whatshisface (NCR scientist dude) says NCR will have a famine if there isn't some major advance in the agricultural sector soon.
 
Izak said:
Whatshisface (NCR scientist dude) says NCR will have a famine if there isn't some major advance in the agricultural sector soon.
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I see, I guess that slipped my mind. I stand corrected on that point then.
 
CerberusGate said:
Except it would be a minuscule amount if cultivated from local life. Remember the theory that almost every living thing in the Wasteland may be infected by airborne FEV? Only trace samples would exist, barely sufficient to even make an entire vat of FEV. (Though I recall the Fallout Bible did reject this theory, could someone clarify this position?)

Besides, if a mutant army tried to rise again, the current NCR and the current Brotherhood may even be able to put aside their differences and band against a perceived old enemy to effectively exterminate them.
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Well, FEV is a virus. It's in the name. You cultivate a bit from animal life, even miniscule amounts and then you culture it until you have a big ass pit of the stuff to toss unsuspecting Wasteland Dwellers in.
 
CT Phipps said:
Well, FEV is a virus. It's in the name. You cultivate a bit from animal life, even miniscule amounts and then you culture it until you have a big ass pit of the stuff to toss unsuspecting Wasteland Dwellers in.
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It'll take a lifetime or two to even gather that much. Anyone insane enough to do that would be easily caught within that time or they would die before it could be done. The FEV is not some typical virus after all.
 
CerberusGate said:
It'll take a lifetime or two to even gather that much. Anyone insane enough to do that would be easily caught within that time or they would die before it could be done. The FEV is not some typical virus after all.
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Super Mutants have an advantage in this.

 
CT Phipps said:
Well, FEV is a virus. It's in the name. You cultivate a bit from animal life, even miniscule amounts and then you culture it until you have a big ass pit of the stuff to toss unsuspecting Wasteland Dwellers in.
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It's not a normal virus and would not follow the same rules.
 
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