Should NCR collapse and the games return to the West Coast?

CaptJ said:
Gotta let people know that this is going to last more than a month after the war.
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Well, yeah. Under Lanius the Legion would collapse rather quickly; under Vulpes or Lucius or someone that isn't entirely incompetent the Legion would have a chance of fucking the NCR right up.
 
CT Phipps said:
Not that hard to scavenge them, though, or construct them with their level of technology.
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There was a time in the Fallout series when nuclear weapons were extremely rare, and those who happened to find them didn't take them lightly. These are weapons which wiped out nearly all life on Earth, not something you just scavenge or create out of junk you find lying around.

A reason why I can't stand the Fatman. It trivializes the danger nuclear weapons possessed.
 
Prone Squanderer said:
A reason why I can't stand the Fatman. It trivializes the danger nuclear weapons possessed.
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That's why I always stash Fat Man, mini nuke, or any other nuclear weapons I can find in my personal locker, no more nukes in my game!
I was hoping New Vegas wouldn't have these portable nuclear weapon bullshit (no, don't tell me Davy Crockett) and seriously disappointed when finding them in the game. Well, at least they're much less common than in FO3/4.
 
Prone Squanderer said:
There was a time in the Fallout series when nuclear weapons were extremely rare, and those who happened to find them didn't take them lightly. These are weapons which wiped out nearly all life on Earth, not something you just scavenge or create out of junk you find lying around.

A reason why I can't stand the Fatman. It trivializes the danger nuclear weapons possessed.
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While not nuclear weapons as the reason they were caused, I find this to be a rather bizarre criticism as both Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 end in the nuclear annihilation of their respective villains.

Hence, "War never changes."
 
CT Phipps said:
While not nuclear weapons as the reason they were caused, I find this to be a rather bizarre criticism as both Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 end in the nuclear annihilation of their respective villains.
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I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say with the first part, but how is what I said a bizarre criticism? I didn't say nuclear weapons were non-existent, I said they were rare. The Master could very well have managed to find one given he had an entire army of mutants searching for Vaults, which themselves are usually hidden. As for the Enclave, are you really surprised that a Pre-War organisation that had political and military links happened to possess one?

Besides the Enclave wasn't destroyed by its bomb, they were destroyed when the Chosen One sabotages the oil rig's reactor. You can use the bomb, but it's an instant game over.

CT Phipps said:
Hence, "War never changes."
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"War never changes" refers to the fact humanity will always find a reason to fight itself, whether it's over resources, ideology, race etc.
 
Risewild said:
Because people are into space stuff now... Stellaris, No Man's Sky, Civ Beyond Earth, whatever other space games are currently or were popular in the last few years.
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Stellaris isn't mainstream at all tho. It's not trying anyway
 
I'm saying nuclear weapons have a history in the setting.

Van Buren was going to end in multiple sites getting nuked.

I could easily see NCR figuring they need some.
 
Dr Fallout said:
Again, you can't find what isn't there. And you're assuming there's something to find.
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Wait, weren't the nukes in Van Buren located on an orbital bombing platform? So there could be a stash of nukes around but they cannot be reached with the current tech level of the people of the Wasteland. However, only a mad genius like Doctor Presper (Elijah probably could come close but at least he came up with a more down-to-earth, no pun intended, plan) could come up with a way to trigger the launch of those nukes, find a way onto the platform and figure out the launch codes for launching said nukes. No one else in the NCR at the moment fits that description (http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Ballistic_Orbital_Missile_Base_001 and http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Victor_Presper)

Presper and his followers released the New Virus in the remote areas near Boulder and Denver. It was close enough to the quarantine prison to spur ULYSSES into action, but not near enough to huge populations to start a general panic. Once enough people were infected and ULYSSES "arrested" enough people to just about fill up the prison, Presper infected himself, Coleridge, and a handful of loyal soldiers so they too could be taken into the prison. Once there, the rest of Presper's uninfected men would stage an attack on the prison, which would allow everyone to escape. This event would start a countdown for the missile launch on B.O.M.B.-001. ULYSSES would asses the viral spread, try to gather up the escaped prisoners, and once 90% of the prisoners had been retrieved, launch nuclear missiles to "clean & prevent" any further infection. By the time this happened, Presper had planned to be on, and in full control of, B.O.M.B.-001, and reprogramming targeting solutions to clean the areashe wanted. Humans of his choosing would wait out the second nuclear holocaust in the Boulder Dome, until the day came where he declared the Earth safe for pure blood humans once more. The only thing that really was a time consuming factor for his plan was figuring out the launch codes on the satellite. But Presper knew he was more than intelligent enough to eventually figure it out. After all, he was far more intelligent than the monkeys who originally programmed the launch computers on B.O.M.B.-001, or so he thought.
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The NCR would need to achieve stable and safe space flight to even access or control those nukes to begin with. With that in mind, access to that stash of nukes is technically impossible (unless the NCR managed to perfect space flight which so far, has not happened and they'll have bigger concerns like real world problems)
 
CerberusGate said:
Yeah, the New Plague idea may have worked for mass extinction but orbital nuclear missiles...? That may have gone too far there...
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I overall like the story of FO:NV better but Van Buren had a lot of ideas that good too. Orbital missiles were there for a third arc conflict and it needed to be something of a greater threat than the New Plague.
 
CaptJ said:
I overall like the story of FO:NV better but Van Buren had a lot of ideas that good too. Orbital missiles were there for a third arc conflict and it needed to be something of a greater threat than the New Plague.
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At least Presper's plans were tied into the missiles rather than have some "synths are sentient" conflict ball bolted onto the Fallout franchise and I agree that Van Buren had some good ideas. Some of the design documents on Van Buren were fascinating to read through to say the least.

Sadly we will never know if Interplay would have succeeded in execution for Van Buren since there would have been a chance that the ideas that sound goofy to us now could have worked well with proper execution.
 
CerberusGate said:
Yeah, the New Plague idea may have worked for mass extinction but orbital nuclear missiles...? That may have gone too far there...
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The orbital nuclear missiles were made to handle the New Plague, if an infected person escaped confinement the nukes would purify the area that the infectee escaped to.
 
Izak said:
The orbital nuclear missiles were made to handle the New Plague, if an infected person escaped confinement the nukes would purify the area that the infectee escaped to.
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Ah, that explains why the wiki page mentioned that Presper made sure the infected in the prison were allowed to escape to outlying settlements.
 
CerberusGate said:
At least Presper's plans were tied into the missiles rather than have some "synths are sentient" conflict ball bolted onto the Fallout franchise
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After Bethesda made their Force Awakens that made everyone forget what the number three means, Bethesda decided to make their own content. Just asking but does the Institute need to be evil to achieve their goal? Even if it was yes, were they bad enough to need to be the main antagonist instead of just being a city of assholes like Vault City?
 
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