Fallout 2 heteronormativity
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FalloutIsMyDrug
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Most people in power in undeveloped regions are male. Only advanced countries even consider working away from heteronormativity. The hard truth is that males are stronger on average because that is how human biology works. Men would most likely usually hold all of the power in a wasteland, and closed minded men generally do not like having male prostitutes around. There would also be less wealthy females to purchase such prostitutes. If you don't like this realistic portrayal, then don't play a gritty post-apocalyptic western.
New Vegas has plenty of male prostitutes and homosexuals, especially in Gomorrah. Go play that, I guess.
I would also imagine that there was less of a push for game companies to be politically correct in the 90s.
New Vegas has plenty of male prostitutes and homosexuals, especially in Gomorrah. Go play that, I guess.
I would also imagine that there was less of a push for game companies to be politically correct in the 90s.
More like when you are in a post apocolypitic society not as many people are going to engage in an already fringe sexuality when when keeping your civilization alive through procreation is so important. Open and common homosexuality is a privilege of a society that doesn't have to worry about population size and even the Ancient Greeks and Romans put high importance on marrying and having children and engaging in homosexual practices second to that.
Also considering Fallout 2 is one of the first (if not the) games to let you have a gay marriage It's kind of stupid to complain about it's 'heteronormativity" (God that's such a stupid buzzword).
Also considering Fallout 2 is one of the first (if not the) games to let you have a gay marriage It's kind of stupid to complain about it's 'heteronormativity" (God that's such a stupid buzzword).
omphaloskepsis
First time out of the vault
I personally don't think Fallout needed gay prostitution. The whole thing was such a tiny part of the game that it just seems pointless to me. And I agree that it's reasonable to portray a post-apocalyptic culture that is similar to our own.Most people in power in undeveloped regions are male. Only advanced countries even consider working away from heteronormativity. The hard truth is that males are stronger on average because that is how human biology works. Men would most likely usually hold all of the power in a wasteland, and closed minded men generally do not like having male prostitutes around. There would also be less wealthy females to purchase such prostitutes. If you don't like this realistic portrayal, then don't play a gritty post-apocalyptic western.
New Vegas has plenty of male prostitutes and homosexuals, especially in Gomorrah. Go play that, I guess.
I would also imagine that there was less of a push for game companies to be politically correct in the 90s.
But there's plenty of history that disproves what you're saying to support that. Matriarchal societies have been around forever, and many of those cultures exist at a subsistence level, so that kind of ruins the whole "men will dominate when society doesn't hold them back" thing. Those closer to a "survival of the fittest" situation tend have less time for cultural notions about men vs women, gay vs straight, or whatever. So if a woman kicks ass, people would respect that. It's civilization that packages people into convenient slots.
On a similar note, Sparta was one of the most militant cultures of all time, and it was super gay. A lot of your argument boils down to "boys will be boys", but that can mean a completely different thing across cultures.
You're defining "fringe" according to modern American/European terms, so that's a big problem in your assumptions. And you're talking about procreation as if a group of individuals in an anarchic situation will somehow prioritize that for the good of a state that doesn't exist?
Regardless, I assume you're familiar with the famous speech from the Spartan general to his troops, encouraging them to go sleep with their wives, right? The soldiers were so busy screwing each other that it got people worried about the future of the country.
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Anyway, I'm really arguing that in a post-apoc society, there will be more anarchy, less rules, and less civilization. In that situation, if a charismatic person is a woman or gay man, they will likely have a huge influence over the local culture. In general there will be much greater diversity in thought, similar to early Christianity or Islam, both of which had wild variances in belief and practice until they got organized. I would imagine some really bizarre cult-like communities popping up.
No it doesn't.
Name one successful one. Hell just name one.
Except history proves the opposite. Theres a reason there is Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar and Napoleon Bonaparte and not Alexandria, Julinana or Napoleona. Men are naturally, biologically the dominant gender. Theres a reason the men went out and hunted the mammonth while the women stayed behind and took care of the children. It's basic biology.
Except it's not a "cultural notion" that men are generally stronger and more suited to dominant positions such as hunting, fighting, and leading the group, it's a biological fact.
It's also a biological fact that if you don't make offspring your people/group/civilization/whatever will die.
If they are one of the few exceptions to the biological rule, sure. But they are just that, exceptions, rarities, abnormalities.
Things like "patriarchy" or "heteronormativity" are simply "Normal".
No, that would be biology. Cultures didn't make men on average genetically stronger, more dominant and suited to roles just as fighting as I mentioned before and it's not culture that made women genetically better at taking care of children, the home and more submissive roles. Just cause you can name a few exceptions to the over whelming majority doesn't change it from being an abnormality which "le stronk women" and homosexuals are.
No, I'm defining "fringe" according to statistics and common sense. if the majority of people were exclusively homosexual, throughout all of history, their civilizations would have died out or at the very least not expanded as greatly due to there being less children born. Like I said, even the stereotypical homoerotic Greeks and Romans still prioritized having children just like ancient tribes prioritized protecting the young and animals all instinctively try to procreate.
"Anarchy' is an impossibility. There will always be groups that form and it will always be a natural biological pull to procreate and pass on their genes and so thus a group will always try and keep their group going. It doesn't matter if it's at a state, tribal, or simply animalistic level. We all have an innate pull to continue on our lineage unless we have some sort of defect.
I don't see how this hurts my point and helps yours....
Exclusive homosexuality is almost always discouraged and is a extreme rarity.
But none of that will stop basic biological rules. A collapse of society won't suddenly make 1/3 of the population crave cocks. It will remain a fringe sexuality as it always has.
I don't see how this is related to your complaint about there not being enough gays in Fallout 2.
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Dr Fallout
Centurion
It pains me to say it... but Vergil is right here.
K
Kremin
Guest
Honestly; what the fuck?
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Where does the idea of men being dominant and women being submissive come from?Have you gotton used to saying that yet?
You will.
FalloutIsMyDrug
Fo3 Enjoyer(converted) Copium Junkie
Biology, nature, entirety of the existence of the Human race etc.
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Mr muggyman 3000
Lover of coffe cups
If your actually serious I'll explain something to you. Heterosexuality is the MAJORITY , homosexuality is the minority. It makes total sense that there is no gay prostitution especially during the apocalypse, where the human species are bordering on extinction.
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
I'd like to point out a rebuttal.
Fallout 2 does not have gay prostitution.
It does, however, have gay marriage.
So, kudos to Fallout 2!
Also, if you work as a Porn Star Fluffer uh...I don't think you're working on women.
Fallout 2 does not have gay prostitution.
It does, however, have gay marriage.
So, kudos to Fallout 2!
Also, if you work as a Porn Star Fluffer uh...I don't think you're working on women.
Prone Squanderer
A bit of a Sillius Soddus.
I'd like to point out a rebuttal.
Fallout 2 does not have gay prostitution.
It does, however, have gay marriage.
So, kudos to Fallout 2!
Gay shotgun marriage even!
CT Phipps
Carbon Dated and Proud
It's the only way to preserve his honor.
Jesus, regressive, anti-scientific leftism at its finest.
Just imagine the dosage of indoctrination needed through the leftist school system to even ask that.
Jogre
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
The vast majority of prostitutes you find in real world brothels tend to be female.
While it would have made sense for large brothels like The Cat's Paw to perhaps try and find male hookers for clients with more specific tastes, naturally most prostitutes in the game-world are going to be female.
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Boudica, Queen Elizabeth I and Catherine the Great.
While it would have made sense for large brothels like The Cat's Paw to perhaps try and find male hookers for clients with more specific tastes, naturally most prostitutes in the game-world are going to be female.
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Slight counter arguement here:
Boudica, Queen Elizabeth I and Catherine the Great.
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Why does it not surprise me you didnt even read the thread and see this was already mentioned.I'd like to point out a rebuttal.
Fallout 2 does not have gay prostitution.
It does, however, have gay marriage.
So, kudos to Fallout 2!