Van Buren Against Fallout 3

stjohn

stjohn

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I imagine a question like this has been asked at least once here, if not multiple times but i'll ask again anyway.
Would you guys have preferred Van Buren to have been finished and released as FO3 or are you happy with the Bethesda game?
 
This is a bit of a no brainer but Van Buren would have been preferable.
 
Van Buren for sure. At least it looked like it was adding new stuff to the series instead of just blantantly rehashing major elements from the previous games, while making a mockery of said elements.
 
Van Buren. I don't have time now to elaborate on why, but I will try to remember to come by tomorrow once I wake up and explain.
 
Thanks for answering guys, personally I can't really make a choice between either but I understand why you all (so far) prefer VB.
 
VB.

At least we would have new assets to use in mods. I just can not stand anymore looking at the same 10 npcs of Fallout 1 and 2.
 
Absolutely VB. The story as we know it sounded quite interesting, and while I'm not too fond of the real time combat mode, the gameplay would have probably been really good. Hopefully.
 
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stjohn said:
I imagine a question like this has been asked at least once here, if not multiple times but i'll ask again anyway.
Would you guys have preferred Van Buren to have been finished and released as FO3 or are you happy with the Bethesda game?
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I am not quite sure whether this is a rhetorical question... or not? Maybe you can clarify :).

But generally speaking, I prefer to have had the Van Buren edition, albeit we don't know what would have happened with New Vegas then.
 
Van Buren would have been an interesting experience, if only so we could see where the series would have gone before it was sold. I know there is a lot of stuff in the Fallout bible and Van Buren itself was pretty fleshed out in terms of story, but it would have opened up a lot of potential new plotlines. The whole backstory involving Presper, the closure of Sulik's search for his sister, the origins of the New Plague, all unfortunately forgotten and left to the archives now. I did enjoy New Vegas, recycling some of the storyline as it did, but the eventual outcome of the battle of hoover dam didn't really progress the Fallout storyline for me. I find it difficult to accept the 'new' canon, project purity and synths and all, and always wonder what could have been.

Any fan project that could capture that sense of mystery would be massively appreciated. Even homages and fan-fiction can have their own satisfying story arcs.
 
Even though I enjoyed Fo3, after watching RetconRaider's series on it, I have to say Van Buren. Especially if they didn't have to make significant cuts, which was done before the project got cancelled outright.



Hassknecht said:
Absolutely VB. The story as we know it sounded quite interesting, and while I'm not too fond of the real time combat mode, the gameplay would have probably been really good. Hopefully.
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Do you recall specifically how that was going to work?
 
As far as I understood, it was a real time version of a slightly updated & changed version of the Classic Fallout combat system.

Vostyok said:
Van Buren would have been an interesting experience, if only so we could see where the series would have gone before it was sold. I know there is a lot of stuff in the Fallout bible and Van Buren itself was pretty fleshed out in terms of story, but it would have opened up a lot of potential new plotlines. The whole backstory involving Presper, the closure of Sulik's search for his sister, the origins of the New Plague, all unfortunately forgotten and left to the archives now. I did enjoy New Vegas, recycling some of the storyline as it did, but the eventual outcome of the battle of hoover dam didn't really progress the Fallout storyline for me. I find it difficult to accept the 'new' canon, project purity and synths and all, and always wonder what could have been.

Any fan project that could capture that sense of mystery would be massively appreciated. Even homages and fan-fiction can have their own satisfying story arcs.
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There have been attempts to revive Van Buren, and there is still one today but I think they ran into some legal issues a couple years ago, and the teams changed a couple of times. Still looks promising though.
 
NMLevesque said:
Even though I enjoyed Fo3, after watching RetconRaider's series on it, I have to say Van Buren. Especially if they didn't have to make significant cuts, which was done before the project got cancelled outright.





Do you recall specifically how that was going to work?
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The tech demo demonstrated it. I think it basically had action points replenishing in real time?
Dunno. Was it similar to how Fallout: Tactics RT mode worked?
 
My impression was that the version we have seen, is the version they were showing off. AFAIK, the final version would have been turn based—possibly with the compromise of having a realtime alternate combat mode; the flipside of FO:Tactics', and perhaps with the same problems that Arcanum had.

The principle developers have stated it was always the intention for Fallout(s) to be turn based.

**I assume that most here also know of Troika's tech demo... which appears to have be designed such that it could be trivially converted to Fallout 3, had they managed to acquire the rights to do so.
 
The real contest is between Black Isle's Fallout 3 (Van Buren), Troïka's Fallout 3 (untitled), and Obsidian Fallout 3 (New Vegas). Beth Fallout 3 is only Fallout by name.
 
Vostyok said:
the closure of Sulik's search for his sister
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Yeah. But at least we can find her in Fallout 2, if you play that version that have all the cut content.

Love that thing. CO even have a rival (like pokemon games lol). He chalenge him several times, is super fun.
 
Van Buren without any hesitation. I like Fallout New Vegas and its expansion but it is the best us Fallout 1 and 2 could get after Bethesda bought the Fallout franchise.
Fallout 3 was in general their Elder Scrolls Oblivion reskinned with a Fallout skin with elements they copied and pasted from Fallout 1 and 2, thinking that that is all Fallout amounts to (and as we see in Fallout 4 and Fallout 76).

Bethesda story writing and world building skills are poor and only occasionally they make something of interested.

Van Buren would have expanded upon the Fallout world as others already mentioned, giving us more details on the New Plague and some other Pre War matters but also continuing on post war topics such as the NCR, Sulik's sister, and bringing in new interesting ones such as the Mormons, the various tribes.
The BOS-NCR war and Caesar's Legion made it to FNV but it is of a much smaller scope.

I also really would liked to have seen BOMB001.

On another note, hi Vostyok
 
I was generally less interested in the working space station and more #002, since that one had crashed to the ground in the area the game takes place in.

I still really liked the Beth. Fallout 3, it still felt at least distantly related to Fallout.
 
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