Sn1p3r187
Carolinian Shaolin Monk
Okay, and is addressing the win solving an actual issue in the country?
Russia attacks Ukraine
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TheGM
The voice of reason
Who says it didn't?
Sn1p3r187
Carolinian Shaolin Monk
Uno reverse card
Morgan_
Duckerz
I think I'd take ww2 trench war vs this anyday. Being hunted by a drone, jesus christ.
Resardiv
Herr Nordic Lost in Amerikat
Good thing is, infantry will never be obsolete. Nothing can replace it, hence why it will stay.
I've watched those videos to the point it seems propaganda. Expect me to believe not one single person over there thought of birdshot in a 20ga? Are people over there really that retarded or is continuing war better for a few people's wallets?
All that loss of life, hard to imagine in the U.S.
All that loss of life, hard to imagine in the U.S.
One of my cats had the new bird flu. It's bascially just strep throat. After an injection and a week on antibiotics she's fine again.
Edit: Oh wait we're not talking about the bird cough.
Edit: Oh wait we're not talking about the bird cough.
Run that story. I bet there is a good reason to shut down the economy again.
This season: old orange man.
This season: old orange man.
Resardiv
Herr Nordic Lost in Amerikat
They won't post failed hits, it's counterproductive for both sides. The same mechanisms prevent you from seeing 155mm shells' pov hitting enemy positions. Despite drone proliferation, artillery is still the King of battle. ECM has proved to be the most effective way of disabling drones, which is why Russia is premiering fibre-optic drones; while Ukraine is installing ai-assisted targeting enabled when the connection is lost with the pilot.
This has nothing to do with American leftover scepticism from GWOT and the MIC, it's a conventional war for the survival of the Ukranian state and its culture. Russia is desperately trying to cling on to its imperial project.
The US has the luxury of expending metal instead of blood, short wars are always preferred to long ones. E.G. Vietnam contra the Gulf War.
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Sn1p3r187
Carolinian Shaolin Monk
I would too tbh. Though i will say, one scenario is the a frog slowly having his water turn boiling while he's sitting in it. The other is a fox chasing rabbit, but the fox has a brick of c4 on his pelt. The most natural counter to trench warfare is Machine guns and artillery, anything that can travel in an arc. The most natural offset to Blitzkrieg tactics is Information and drones assets. Lose the element of surprise. God watching that reminded me of the Hunter Killers from the Terminator movies
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Resardiv
Herr Nordic Lost in Amerikat
You could it the other way, trench warfare was enabled by machine guns, artillery and the large force concentration on the western front. It was broken when the German state buckled under the Entente blockade. "Blitzkrieg tactics" are just classic manoeuvre warfare or bewegungskrieg. Information has always been important for battles, the only thing that changes is how it's gathered.
Ukraine was able to invade Russia and achieve tactical surprise back during the summer of 2024 with rapid re-deployment from other fronts, EW and force concentration.
broneslav
It Wandered In From the Wastes
In fact, Zelensky's adventure to break through to Sudzha is so stupid and useless and is aimed only at the ostentatious illusion of success to demonstrate to his curators from the US Democratic Party. This mistake cost Ukraine tens of thousands of soldiers and will ultimately result in Zelensky losing his post as president, and perhaps his life. The lesson that is worth learning is that you cannot trust and rely on the US in everything.
TheGM
The voice of reason
I like your train of though there.
1: Lil' Z invades Russia to Show US how they are still in the fight.
2: counter invasion goes nowhere and is a waste of men and resources.
3: ??????
4: Don't Trust America.
1: Lil' Z invades Russia to Show US how they are still in the fight.
2: counter invasion goes nowhere and is a waste of men and resources.
3: ??????
4: Don't Trust America.
broneslav
It Wandered In From the Wastes
don't trust america when they send you to invade russia. it's a trap. they'll get rid of you eventually.
Problem officer?
Problem officer?
Resardiv
Herr Nordic Lost in Amerikat
But the Ukrainians planned and initiated the attack without aid or mentioning it to Washington and her other allies. They knew intelligence leaks were commonplace in the Pentagon and knew the US would never sanction such an act.
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-did-not-tell-allies-kursk-stopped-them-zelenskyy-2024-8
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-did-not-tell-allies-kursk-stopped-them-zelenskyy-2024-8
broneslav
It Wandered In From the Wastes
No.
Ukraine's incursion into Kursk Oblast 'consistent' with US policy, Pentagon says
Singh said that the U.S. has "supported Ukraine from the beginning to defend themselves against attacks that are coming across the border."
Pentagon: Ukrainian troops may use American weapons in the Kursk region
The United States allows Ukraine to use American weapons to strike targets in the Kursk region of Russia
mil.in.ua
Pentagon discusses longer-term objectives of Kursk operation with Ukraine
The U.S. Department of Defense discusses with Ukraine the longer-term objectives of an offensive in the Kursk region
mil.in.ua
The operation was coordinated with the Pentagon in advance.
Pre drone era, the forward observer called in CAS and bombing/artillery runs. He got in there and directed fire. They racked up more kills than any sniper you've read about. Well placed, they could wipe out entire companies/ battalions with that intel. Drones? Hope you're dead before you know it.
Resardiv
Herr Nordic Lost in Amerikat
None of your sources back that up, just that the previous administration greenlit the use of US weapons inside Kursk post-invasion.No.
Ukraine's incursion into Kursk Oblast 'consistent' with US policy, Pentagon says
Singh said that the U.S. has "supported Ukraine from the beginning to defend themselves against attacks that are coming across the border."kyivindependent.com
Pentagon: Ukrainian troops may use American weapons in the Kursk region
The United States allows Ukraine to use American weapons to strike targets in the Kursk region of Russia
Pentagon discusses longer-term objectives of Kursk operation with Ukraine
The U.S. Department of Defense discusses with Ukraine the longer-term objectives of an offensive in the Kursk region
The operation was coordinated with the Pentagon in advance.
But I get it, the Ukrainians shouldn't have been able to launch such an attack by themself, it's embarrassing as it shows them being able to conduct independent successful operations.
TheGM
The voice of reason
He is part of the Ukraine has no agency because Ukraine isn't even a real country so it must have been the US crowd.
broneslav
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Ukrainians never needed an operation to invade Russia, this is just another meat grinder with no prospects for long-term success. Zelensky was certainly the initiator of this madness, but without the Pentagon's approval when and where, without Pentagon intelligence in this place and at this time, nothing would have happened. You can continue to believe in the special fighting spirit, morale, intuition, resilience and skill of Ukrainians, but this is no substitute for reconnaissance satellites, ifatds, etc.