2012 Prophecies

welsh

welsh

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Hey, just because I posted on the Rapture, I don't want any Mayans to think we're prejudiced at NMA.

So to be fair to the Mayans- here are some 2012 prophecies!
(found at wikipedia- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012

Metaphysical predictions

Apocalyptic predictions
2012 is sometimes claimed to be a great year of spiritual transformation (or apocalypse). Many esoteric sources interpret the completion of the twelfth B'ak'tun cycle in the Long Count of the Maya calendar (which occurs on December 21 by the most widely held correlation) to mean there will be a major change in world order.

Accordingly, several eclectic authors claim that a major, world-changing event will take place in 2012:

The 1995 book The Mayan Prophecies linked the Maya calendar with long-period sunspot cycles.

The book 2012: Mayan Year of Destiny claims the Maya may have been instructed in their wisdom by discarnate entities from Orion and the Pleiades. Contact was maintained through shamanic rituals conducted in accordance with the movements of planets and stars.

The 1997 book The Bible Code claims that, according to certain algorithms of the Bible code, a meteor, asteroid or comet will collide with the Earth.

The book The Nostradamus Code speaks of a series of natural disasters caused by a comet (possibly as above) which will allow the third Antichrist to disperse his troops around the globe under the guise of aid in preparation for a possible nuclear war, although in the strictest sense it is unspecific as to nuclear war or some other natural or man caused destruction.

The book The Orion Prophecy claims that the Earth's magnetic field will reverse.

The 2005 book Beyond 2012: Catastrophe or Ecstasy by Geoff Stray reviews several theories, prophecies and predictions concerning 2012 and finds where authors have used faulty information or have bent the truth to fit their theories.

The 2006 book 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl by Daniel Pinchbeck discusses theories of a possible global awakening to psychic connection by the year 2012, creating a noosphere. It also discusses many other aspects of the 2012 phenomenon from a neutral perspective.

Other prophecies and apocalyptic writings and hypotheses for this year include:

Terence McKenna's mathematical novelty theory suggests a point of singularity in which a great number of things could happen, including "hyperspatial breakthrough", planetesimal impact, alien contact, historical metamorphosis, metamorphosis of natural law, solar explosion, quasar ignition at the galactic core, or nothing.
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Or nothing.... Hmmmmmm....

The Prophecy of the Popes, attributed to Saint Malachy, speculated that Pope Benedict XVI would reign during the beginning of the tribulation of which Jesus spoke, and sometime later a future pope described in the prophecy as "Peter the Roman", the last in this prophetic list, would appear, bringing as a result the destruction of the city of Rome and the Last Judgment.

Many new age spiritualists and philosophers ("new-agers") believe humankind will enter an age of enlightenment in 2012. There are a range of varying, generally positive, beliefs shared by a subset of spiritualists from the mundane to exceptional — including a positive social shift and age of peace, mankind becoming psychic and connected by a collective, and/or an evolution of the human race into non-corporeal beings made of "spiritual" energy, or light energy, i.e. 'ascension'.

Some alien-enthusiasts, along with some new-agers, believe 2012 to correspond approximately with the return of alien "watchers" or "caretakers" who might have helped the first human civilizations with developing their technology and may have been waiting for us to reach a higher level of technological and/or social advancement. Beliefs range from the extra-terrestrials having benevolent purposes — such as to help human society evolve — to malevolent purposes — such as enslavement of mankind and/or manipulation.

The Nepalese ascetic Ram Bahadur Bomjon, the so-called "Buddha boy", reportedly told his followers that he would return around 2012.

Some proponents of a peak oil catastrophe place major events in 2012. Richard C. Duncan's book The Peak of World Oil Production and the Road To The Olduvai Gorge claims that the Olduvai cliff will begin and permanent blackouts will occur worldwide. Several studies predict a peak in oil production in or around 2012.
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Big year that 2012! But it might not be a long one-
January 31 — 433 Eros, the second largest Near Earth Object on record (size 13x13x33 km) is expected to pass Earth at 0.1790 astronomical units (~16.647 Million Miles) (1 AU = ~150 million kilometres or ~93 million miles) (1AU = the average distance from Earth to the sun). NASA studied Eros in the NEAR Shoemaker probe launched February 2000

And from USA Today-

Does Maya calendar predict 2012 apocalypse?

THE YEAR FOR BOOKS

Current and coming books on 2012:

2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl by Daniel Pinchbeck (Penguin/Tarcher, May 2006)

2013 Oracle: Ancient Keys to the 2012 Awakening by David Carson & Nina Sammons (Council Oaks, November 2006)

Apocalypse 2012: A Scientific Investigation Into Civilization's End by Lawrence Joseph (Random House/Morgan Road, January 2007)

The Revolution of 2012: Vol. 1, The Preparation by Andrew Smith (Ford Evans, January 2007)

Serpent of Light by Drunvalo Melchizedek (Red Wheel/Weiser, Autumn 2007)

By G. Jeffrey MacDonald, Special to USA TODAY
With humanity coming up fast on 2012, publishers are helping readers gear up and count down to this mysterious — some even call it apocalyptic — date that ancient Mayan societies were anticipating thousands of years ago.

Since November, at least three new books on 2012 have arrived in mainstream bookstores. A fourth is due this fall. Each arrives in the wake of the 2006 success of 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl, which has been selling thousands of copies a month since its release in May and counts more than 40,000 in print. The books also build on popular interest in the Maya, fueled in part by Mel Gibson's December 2006 film about Mayan civilization, Apocalpyto.

Authors disagree about what humankind should expect on Dec. 21, 2012, when the Maya's "Long Count" calendar marks the end of a 5,126-year era.

Journalist Lawrence Joseph forecasts widespread catastrophe in Apocalypse 2012: A Scientific Investigation Into Civilization's End. Spiritual healer Andrew Smith predicts a restoration of a "true balance between Divine Feminine and Masculine" in The Revolution of 2012: Vol. 1, The Preparation. In 2012, Daniel Pinchbeck anticipates a "change in the nature of consciousness," assisted by indigenous insights and psychedelic drug use.

The buildup to 2012 echoes excitement and fear expressed on the eve of the new millennium, popularly known as Y2K, though on a smaller scale, says Lynn Garrett, senior religion editor at Publishers Weekly. She says publishers seem to be courting readers who believe humanity is creating its own ecological disasters and desperately needs ancient indigenous wisdom.

"The convergence I see here is the apocalyptic expectations, if you will, along with the fact that the environment is in the front of many people's minds these days," Garrett says. "Part of the appeal of these earth religions is that notion that we need to reconnect with the Earth in order to save ourselves."

But scholars are bristling at attempts to link the ancient Maya with trends in contemporary spirituality. Maya civilization, known for advanced writing, mathematics and astronomy, flourished for centuries in Mesoamerica, especially between A.D. 300 and 900. Its Long Count calendar, which was discontinued under Spanish colonization, tracks more than 5,000 years, then resets at year zero.

"For the ancient Maya, it was a huge celebration to make it to the end of a whole cycle," says Sandra Noble, executive director of the Foundation for the Advancement of Mesoamerican Studies in Crystal River, Fla. To render Dec. 21, 2012, as a doomsday or moment of cosmic shifting, she says, is "a complete fabrication and a chance for a lot of people to cash in."

Part of the 2012 mystique stems from the stars. On the winter solstice in 2012, the sun will be aligned with the center of the Milky Way for the first time in about 26,000 years. This means that "whatever energy typically streams to Earth from the center of the Milky Way will indeed be disrupted on 12/21/12 at 11:11 p.m. Universal Time," Joseph writes.

But scholars doubt the ancient Maya extrapolated great meaning from anticipating the alignment — if they were even aware of what the configuration would be.

Astronomers generally agree that "it would be impossible the Maya themselves would have known that," says Susan Milbrath, a Maya archaeoastronomer and a curator at the Florida Museum of Natural History. What's more, she says, "we have no record or knowledge that they would think the world would come to an end at that point."

University of Florida anthropologist Susan Gillespie says the 2012 phenomenon comes "from media and from other people making use of the Maya past to fulfill agendas that are really their own."
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I think Susan needs to chech that Whoops I missed the Rapture thread! No doubt She's one of those addicted to education types! Guess she's off to the fiery lake. ha hahahahahaha!!!
 
I always think it prudent to not take stock in the prophecies of a society who didn't even predict their own self-destruction even before the arrival of Cortez.

Now if it was the Incas, who's paranoid belief that they would be annihilated soon came true when the Spanish.. annihilated them.. I'd believe it more.
 
5 years to go to bring my SHTF arsenal up to spec? should be more than enough...

lets go out with a bang!
 
I'm more of the mind that the Mayans didn't "extend" their calendar beyond 2012 because they didn't think they'd need to until sometime later.

Unfortunately, "later" never came for the Mayans.

I'm also of the mind that the world is going to hell. In all likelyhood, we won't notice when it happens, and will only realise the event has actually taken place years afterwards.
 
Too bad the Mayan civilization collapsed into quarreling city-states, before becoming nothing more that "old stones in the jungle" to their descendants.

Yeah. They surely could look into the future!

Awesome Futuer Predictionnes!
 
Yeah anyone who foresees the future to see the end of the world, but didn't bother to check about their own demise is a fool. Darth Sidious is a good example.

Seriously they could have just not bothered to write time past that point.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
 
If you've read this far into the thread... Stop now before your brain EXPLODES!

...God the pain of the random off topic randomness replies.

Oh, and there is always Edgar Casey's polar coordinate shift that he predicted.

Frankly, I'm going to laugh when NOTHING happens. Only thing I see happening is some fools attempting to bring a prophesy to reality... Like George Bush!
 
People will just move on to the next crackpot prediction. I remember the hoohah over Nostradamus' 1999 "prophecy".
Oops. We're still here.
 
I forecast a big celestial object will crash to earth, proving that the Mayans were good at math but generally awful at politics.

You guys assume that the Mayans could have prevented their own demise. But that assumes a world view that allows for individuals to change their fate- a questionable assumption.

What if our fate is all predetermined and worse, inescapable?
 
welsh said:
I forecast a big celestial object will crash to earth, proving that the Mayans were good at math but generally awful at politics.

You guys assume that the Mayans could have prevented their own demise. But that assumes a world view that allows for individuals to change their fate- a questionable assumption.

What if our fate is all predetermined and worse, inescapable?
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Yeah but that doesn't change the fact that they should've predicted it even if they couldn't change it. The Incas did.
 
Mark Twain came in on Haley's Comet and left on it. Tesla was born in a lightning storm. People take things way too fucking literally and fail to grasp the metaphors right under ther noses. Tidal waves are waves of emotions. Comets are new souls entering our "playing field" and our own perceptions define existence as we know it.

The END is just another beginning. Round and round and round. Sleepy rabbits, tricks are for kids. Our bodies are ancient. LoL.
 
Isn't 2012 also the year in which, according to the Olduvai Theory, the world will have to deal with permanent black-outs?
 
Something I came across on the net about the Mayan Calender

Carlos Barrios, an historian and anthropologist, is reputed to have said that, “Other people write about prophecy in the name of the Maya. They say that the world will end in December 2012.” Barrios claims that the Mayan elders are angry about this. According to them, the world will not end. It will be transformed. There is, in fact, a difference.

The Mayan’s comprehension of time, seasons, and cycles has proven itself to be vast and sophisticated. The Maya developed 17 different calendars, some of them claiming to chart time accurately over a span of more than ten million years [But how would anyone know?]. The particular Mayan Calendar that has steadily drawn global attention since 1987 is called the Tzolk’in or Cholq’ij. This calendar was devised ages ago and is based on the cycle of the Pleiades. As such, it is held as sacred.

With indigenous calendars, native people have kept track of important turning points in history. For example, the daykeepers who studied the calendars identified an important day in the year One Reed, Ce Acatal, as it was called. That was the day when an important ancestor was prophesied to return, “coming like a butterfly.” In the western calendar, the One Reed date correlates to Easter Sunday, April 21, 1519 the day that Hernando Cortez and his fleet of 11 Spanish galleons arrived from the East at what is today called Vera Cruz, Mexico. When the Spanish ships came toward shore, native people were waiting and watching to see how it would go. The billowing sails of the ships did indeed remind the scouts of butterflies skimming the ocean surface.

This event initiated a new era, one that had been anticipated through the Mayan calendars. The Maya termed the new era: the Nine Bolomtikus, or nine Hells of 52 years each. As the nine cycles unfolded, the Mayan land and freedom were taken from the native people. Disease and disrespect dominated. What began with the arrival of Cortez, lasted until August 16, 1987 - a date many people refer to as the Harmonic Convergence. Millions of people took advantage of the latter date to share in ceremonies at sacred sites, praying for a smooth transition to a new era, the World of the Fifth Sun.

From that 1987 date until now, Mr. Barrios says, “We have been in a time when the right arm of the materialistic world is disappearing, slowly but inexorably. We are at the cusp of the era when peace begins, and people live in harmony with Mother Earth. We are no longer in the World of the Fourth Sun, but we are not yet in the World of the Fifth Sun. This is the time in-between, the time of transition. As we pass through transition there is a colossal, global convergence of environmental destruction, social chaos, war, and ongoing Earth changes.”

[All good calendar changes have transitions. They are really essential.]

All this, Mr. Barrios says, was foreseen via the simple, spiral mathematics of the Mayan calendars. “It will change,” Mr. Barrios observes. “Everything will change.” He said Mayan Daykeepers view the Dec. 21, 2012 date as a rebirth, the start of the World of the Fifth Sun. It will be the start of a new era resulting from and signified by the solar meridian crossing the galactic equator, and the earth aligning itself with the center of the galaxy. And while the so-called World of the Fourth Sun will indeed end, the result is true to the idea of Death and Rebirth. The key is not focusing on death, but on the rebirth!

At sunrise on December 21, 2012 for the first time in 26,000 years the Sun rises to conjunct the intersection of the Milky Way and the plane of the ecliptic. This cosmic cross is considered to be an embodiment of the Sacred Tree. Some observers say this alignment with the heart of the galaxy in 2012 will open a channel for cosmic energy to flow through the earth.

This process has already begun, Mr. Barrios suggested.
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Cheers, Thorgrimm
 
Thorgrimm, the article you quote is fundamentally wrong in many ways.

The Maya empire had already collapsed by the time the Spaniards arrived, for starters.

Also, "the year one reed" was in the AZTEC calendar.

Alsoplustoo, the whole "oh, the Evil Spaniards came and brought only death and destruction" thing is blown out of proportion. Let me remind you that before Mexico's conquista, human sacrifice was a commonplace practice in every Mesoamerican culture.

Ah, one more thing. Cortes didn't have jack shit to do with Maya land conquest. The south-east of modern-day Mexico was ultimatedly conquered in the XVIIth century.

All in all, it *reeks* of hippy new age bullshit, mixed with a careless approach to historical facts.
 
Wooz said:
Thorgrimm, the article you quote is fundamentally wrong in many ways.

The Maya empire had already collapsed by the time the Spaniards arrived, for starters.

Also, "the year one reed" was in the AZTEC calendar.

Alsoplustoo, the whole "oh, the Evil Spaniards came and brought only death and destruction" thing is blown out of proportion. Let me remind you that before Mexico's conquista, human sacrifice was a commonplace practice in every Mesoamerican culture.

Ah, one more thing. Cortes didn't have jack shit to do with Maya land conquest. The south-east of modern-day Mexico was ultimatedly conquered in the XVIIth century.

All in all, it *reeks* of hippy new age bullshit, mixed with a careless approach to historical facts.
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Wooz, yeah I most heartily agree with you. I too think they were smoking a li'l too much rope when that was written. But since this whole thread is about silly superstitions I thought I would just toss it in to be ridiculed along with all the other happy bullshit folks are attaching to the year 2012. :D




Cheers, Thorgrimm
 
All I know is that we'll still be here on January 1st 2013, laughing at the crackpots with too much time on their hands as they scramble to find the next doomsday prophecy on the list.
 
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