27 Things About Fallout 3... and then some.
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Vault 69er
Water Chip? Been There, Done That
xdarkyrex said:
Because they didn't in Fallout 1 + 2?
Exploding things ARE fun.
Although, as you probably noticed in the beginning of my very first post in this thread, I was arguing as the devils advocate, because I agree with at least half of the points raised. My gripe is with the petty arguments and claims of factuality and 'canon' and 'realism' and the like. It's an opinion thing, take it or leave it.
I personally think nuclear cars that explode are not a terribly tasteful thing to do. Rather silly, in a bad way.
Will it be fun? sure.
Does it make sense? about as much as the rest of fallout's science.
Is it good? no.
Will I refuse to buy a game because a few cars explode? hah, that would be the very definition of over-reacting.
Wow you really ought to recap over the rest of the thread first
Although, as you probably noticed in the beginning of my very first post in this thread, I was arguing as the devils advocate, because I agree with at least half of the points raised. My gripe is with the petty arguments and claims of factuality and 'canon' and 'realism' and the like. It's an opinion thing, take it or leave it.
I personally think nuclear cars that explode are not a terribly tasteful thing to do. Rather silly, in a bad way.
Will it be fun? sure.
Does it make sense? about as much as the rest of fallout's science.
Is it good? no.
Will I refuse to buy a game because a few cars explode? hah, that would be the very definition of over-reacting.
Vault 69er said:
Wow you really ought to recap over the rest of the thread first
FeelTheRads
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Look, this is stuff for action movies and FPS games, not for games like Fallout.
Well.. for Fallout 3 it is, because it's a FPS, that's true.
PhoenixUltima
First time out of the vault
Alright, how about this:
The sun is powered by constant nuclear fusion. As far as anyone knows the sun is composed almost entirely of hydrogen and helium. Thus it's very possible the fusion cells in the fallout world contain hydrogen, helium, or both. Both elements, as I'm sure you're aware, explode quite nicely, and in a non-nuclear way. How's that for an explaination?
The sun is powered by constant nuclear fusion. As far as anyone knows the sun is composed almost entirely of hydrogen and helium. Thus it's very possible the fusion cells in the fallout world contain hydrogen, helium, or both. Both elements, as I'm sure you're aware, explode quite nicely, and in a non-nuclear way. How's that for an explaination?
Actual, micro-fusion reactions use tritium and other radioactive hydrogen isotopes
But considering tritiums critical mass, although unusually low, isn't low enough for self-sustaining fusion, and so in the real world a fusion battery is currently impossible.
So logically, in the fallout universe, they are using something new that we can't make assumptions about, or a new method that is bizarre and alien to us.
(I learned that doing research about a prior argument about the plausibility of small scale nuclear explosions and the logic behind microfusion batteries)
But considering tritiums critical mass, although unusually low, isn't low enough for self-sustaining fusion, and so in the real world a fusion battery is currently impossible.
So logically, in the fallout universe, they are using something new that we can't make assumptions about, or a new method that is bizarre and alien to us.
(I learned that doing research about a prior argument about the plausibility of small scale nuclear explosions and the logic behind microfusion batteries)PhoenixUltima
First time out of the vault
Non-nuclear explosions can have mushroom clouds, you do realize. That lovely mushroom shape is just caused by air rushing in to fill the vacuum caused by the blast, it has nothing to do with whether the explosion was nuclear or not. The blast giving off radiation is a bit more suspect, but then maybe fusion engines in the fallout world naturally accumulate radiation through use (wouldn't be that surprising given that they're powered by fusion energy), which disperses when the engine is blown to fuck.
The explosions caused by the Fatman and cars, from the description, do not sound powerful enough to cause mushroom clouds. If they're indeed .01 ton explosions, as estimated, it's unlikely they'd cause mushroom clouds. No?
Vault 69er
Water Chip? Been There, Done That
xdarkyrex said:Wow you really ought to recap over the rest of the thread first
I did. I know it was asked before. But you didn't answer it to my satisfaction, so I asked it again.
Continuity > kool explosions.
Vault 69er said:xdarkyrex said:Wow you really ought to recap over the rest of the thread first
I did. I know it was asked before. But you didn't answer it to my satisfaction, so I asked it again.
Continuity > kool explosions.
Well, if "that is irrelevant" isn't a good answer, than you don't want any new canon, do you?
and in that case no answer will suffice, because you have made up your mind.
PhoenixUltima
First time out of the vault
You know, the ridiculousness of the situation just hit me: we're arguing about the scientific plausibility of an aspect in a game series where irradiated scorpions grow to giant size and attack hulking mutants armed with laser rifles, who are in turn killed by a guy who picked up an alien blaster from the crash site of a UFO. This is a series where bridgekeepers in the middle of nowhere can withstand rockets to the head and summon flying, exploding cows at a guy who recently stumbled across a pot of daisies sitting next to an exploded whale in the middle of the desert.
My point is maybe we're taking this just a little too seriously.
My point is maybe we're taking this just a little too seriously.
Easter Egg, special encounter
Easter Egg, special encounter
Easter Egg, special encounter
The rest I'll leave to BN, since he was the one who liked to talk about verisimilitude...
See also http://www.reference.com/search?r=13&q=Verisimilitude
and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verisimilitude
Also, using easter eggs like these above? Pretty funny.
You can talk about Fallout not being realistic at all because of Cafe of Broken Dreams- oh noes, look- 1 Tandi here, the other in NCR...
PhoenixUltima
First time out of the vault
What, so the special encounters aren't part of the game anymore? Nice try, kiddo.
Alright, let's assume for the moment that special encounters are non-canon. You've still got creatures that grew to giant size because of background radiation, hulking super mutants who were lead by a grossly misshapen puddle of a man, plasma rifles that can melt people into puddles of viscera and organs (as opposed to being incinerated, which is what would happen if a several hundred degree fireball hit you dead-on), magical healing powder, and drugs that instantly boost both your intelligence and knowledge. That's not exactly what I'd call high science. Fusion cells that explode when shot would fit right in, actually.
Alright, let's assume for the moment that special encounters are non-canon. You've still got creatures that grew to giant size because of background radiation, hulking super mutants who were lead by a grossly misshapen puddle of a man, plasma rifles that can melt people into puddles of viscera and organs (as opposed to being incinerated, which is what would happen if a several hundred degree fireball hit you dead-on), magical healing powder, and drugs that instantly boost both your intelligence and knowledge. That's not exactly what I'd call high science. Fusion cells that explode when shot would fit right in, actually.
Vault 69er
Water Chip? Been There, Done That
xdarkyrex said:
Continuity is irrelevant?
New canon? Hey if they added faeries, magic powers and laser swords that'd be "new canon" too. But would it follow continuity and "be" Fallout? Hell no.
xdarkyrex said:Bobbleheads = Easter Egg, special encounter?
Bobbleheads = part of the main game. Not a special encounter.
PhoenixUltima said:
Seeing as how the developers called them non-canon.
And that they're intentionally non-canon.. unless you really think the Cafe of Broken Dreams is in-universe!
Plasma weapons DO incinerate you on occasion.
Because herbology with mutant plants surely wouldn't produce any strange effects!
Pure 50s Science!
No, they wouldn't. Because they didn't before. Because they have no place in Science!.
Green mutants, super drugs and man melting rayguns do.
Good job, there may be some hope for you after all!PhoenixUltima said:
Yes, they're part of the game, no, they're not part of the canon!
And FEV.
Uumm... yeah, what's wrong with them?
I wouldn't call it science either. I'd call it SCIENCE!
Hmm... Let me look at FO1 and 2- nope, no exploding cars there.
And on top of that, exploding in mini-nuclear explosion!
Vault 69er
Water Chip? Been There, Done That
By the way, not only do exploding fusion power sources violate the continuity of Fallout 1 + 2, but if the Power Armour in Fallout 3 doesn't explode in a similar fashion when hit then they're violating their own continuity! Hey, bonus!
PhoenixUltima said:
What? Helium is an inert gas, it doesn't explode at all.
PhoenixUltima said:
Well, since it presupposes a willingness to discard any actual knowledge of fusion (stellar or otherwise) as inconvenient, it is a bit like saying, "You know how sticks of dynamite are red and elongated, and bottles of Nuka-Cola are (now) red and elongated, so wouldn't it be really cool if you could use unalterated Cola bottles as pipe bombs? Hey, it's a game, the most important thing is that it's fun! Stop being so thinky!"
PhoenixUltima said:
Unless you want to make an absurdist version of Fallout, internal consistency still matters. You can have orcs or zombies or combustible cats if you establish the premise. You cannot suddenly have butter and lemon juice combine into cyanide because it seemed to be an exciting thing to do.
xdarkyrex, you are spammy.
The OP needs a lot of work, and trying to emulate the Fo:BoS article doesn't make sense at this point.
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