Ehm, no it isn't.star said:
Expecting this to be so would be naive, thinking it should be so isn't.
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Expecting this to be so would be naive, thinking it should be so isn't.
Jidai Geki
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Not so. Games magazines are so eager to get hold of exclusive material and sneek peeks that they'll gladly sacrifice any modicum of integrity in order to get it. The devs dictate when the magazines get to see their material.
How is that naive? It would be naive to believe that this sort of thing doesn't go on, as you seem to.
Sander said:
Well, yes and no. Thinking it should be so is called idealistic I guess. And all idealism is at least a bit naive too, by definition.
Jidai Geki said:
hmm.. I think you maybe didn't understand what I meant, because I agree with you on this point.
Jidai Geki said:
What? Man, i really need to work more on my english skills.. Thats not what I intended to say.. Well, at least Sander understood me.. Or at least I hope so.
Bernard Bumner
Still Mildly Glowing
star said:
Does that mean we should all just give up?
With the internet, we have the perfect medium for criticizing the media, and we can only hope that this site goes some way to providing balance. Hopefully, even a just a few of the readers of print magazines and official media will take the time to seek out this site on the basis of what they've read in those outlets. Perhaps some of them will even take the time to read the fairly diverse views of the membership, and some might even go away with less certainty about just how rabid and irrational we are.
If not, then perhaps they will have seen some of the skeptical counterpoints to the hype, and ask questions of their own.
Possibly, the traditional media are completely in thrall to large developers, and perhaps they will, mindlessly and with relish, eat up whatever rancid offering is put before them. Perhaps their financial position is too precarious to miss out on the dribble of underwhelming Exclusive! barely-information from the PR divisions of software companies.
All of that may be so. But, this runs to the heart of the whole point of the internet, beyond cheap, illegal medication and cheaper, nastier pornography. Aside from conspiracy theory, celebrity gossip, and mail-order foreigners, the internet provides a place for like-minded people to set the world to rights. We can call for a world where print journalism shows its scruples, and our dismissive opponents - those contrarians - give us a fair crack of the whip.
This isn't naiveness; to be victimized and misrepresented - and to complain about such - is the raison d'etre of any messageboard community.
JR Jansen said:
No.
I wish the gaming journalists were actually corrupt. Because corruption indicates a certain level of competency. You can't be unskilled at what you do and be corrupt.
That's not the case here, these guys are just incompetent journalists. They're fans of Bethesda and thus believe them on their pretty blue eyes.
We criticize Bethesda and - here's the kicker - they feel personally offended by that. That's the hilarity of the situation here. A journalist should never get that involved with his subject but they do. They can't stand that we are doubtful about what they already love, that we refuse to hop on the hype wagon and, for that matter, that if we're right, they're wrong.
It's not corruption, it's human nature mixed with incompetence.
They do?
Yesssss!
Okay, stupid reaction but after all the hype stories and the constant repeat that Fallout has to evolve, and is evolving in the right direction according to most Bethesda suck-ups, its nice to hear that they are pissed that not everyone is happy about their Fallout rip-off.
Jidai Geki
It Wandered In From the Wastes
I think we've got our wires crossed here. You tried to refute my claim that mag-dev relationships are dictated by the devs, then you say that you agree. I'm not entirely sure what point you were trying to make, in that case.
whirlingdervish
Brahmin Cavalry Commander
I swear a post just dissapeared that I was replying to..
whirlingdervish said:
I swear a post just dissapeared that I was replying to..
Mech's or my reply to it?
Split and put in the vats for being too spam.
whirlingdervish
Brahmin Cavalry Commander
aahhh. I was going to reply to your statement about the media's mischaracterization of Bethesda, but the post didn't make sense unless it followed yours, and I forgot to quote it. 
It happens
Back on topic tho:
I'm betting they didn't actually watch the movie if they thought comparing Fallout 3 to the errant bomb that ended the world would put a positive spin on things...
It happens
Back on topic tho:
I'm betting they didn't actually watch the movie if they thought comparing Fallout 3 to the errant bomb that ended the world would put a positive spin on things...
Morbus
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
I, for one, don't know about that for sure, but I'll trust you there. Back when I still bothered to comment on Cheng's blog and Bethblog, I remember Cheng mailing me because I was too harsh and stuff, and I replied to him with a heart-touching piece of text full of love and good-wishes. Never got an answer. Same thing with Pete and Radhamster. Pete directly replied to me with a personal comment, and radhamster didn't even wanna talk to me, and I don't even know the guy. Mind you, I don't wanna know NOW...Brother None said:
Seriously though, if you'd ask me, I'd say they fake it. They don't really give a damn about what we think, it's just their PR side taking the lead and making them pretend to be touched by our criticism. Because I don't understand why a big editor's important employee would feel offended by the written words of someone he doesn't even know... :\(...)
Scrap that. I misunderstood what you said...
Ah, as if game journalism was Journalism, if you know what I mean. There may be one or two real journalists out there, but for the most part they're just gamers with more or less developed writing skills and a way to show their texts to the public. You know that already, but you find better journalism in fansites than in many supposedly profession gaming sites and mags.Brother None said:
Indeed.Brother None said:
The irony Per alluded to is so rich that I'm surprised it's not the focus of the topic. Dr. Strangelove is such an absurd positivist that he can see a bright side in the total obliteration of humanity.
Are the writers suggesting Bethsoft's free-fire assassination of our favorite apocalyptic game's principles are moot by virtue of the fact that, at least we get a game out of the deal? I think the answer is an unintentional "yes."
There is a deeper layer still, but I will not bloviate further.
Are the writers suggesting Bethsoft's free-fire assassination of our favorite apocalyptic game's principles are moot by virtue of the fact that, at least we get a game out of the deal? I think the answer is an unintentional "yes."
There is a deeper layer still, but I will not bloviate further.
Davy Crockett
It Wandered In From the Wastes
The "journalists" lick the companies ballocks for the sakes of being their "Waylon Smithers" thus hoping to get more info than all the other Waylon Smithers.