a hypothetical fallout universe question

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sunimplodes

First time out of the vault
we all know that the great war took place between the US and China. my question is twofold:

1) do we have any word on what the conditions are like in the uninvolved regions, such as Australia, Europe, South America, etc?

2) if there IS no word, what are your best educated guesses, based upon the in-game history?



just something i was curious about.
 
Well - the FO1 intro movies states that the European commonwealth (EC/EU) dissolved into "bickering" nation states.

The intro movies also states that the war was a world war destroying most of the earth, so it would be logical to deduct that europe was involved in the war in some manner.
For instance nations could join on either on china or the US side or form a third side to try and gain control; Nations could be annexed by other parties in an attempt to secure resources etc.

It would also be deductable that Europe was destroyed on the same scale - just think of various possible nuclear war strategies from the Cold War era, and in effect bring them into reality.

And I would think this would count for most areas of the world, due to potential threat after a war and as an attempt to secure ressources.
 
with the power of the nukes they'd have in the time this took place, the rest of the world would be pretty destroyed by radiation and nuclear rain even if it wasn't directly bombed. If this is the case I'd say a somewhat larger amound of suriving technology and people should be there. If they got bombed directly as well, the state should be comparible to the US (fallout world like) except ofcourse when we're talking a diffrent climate. Expect some countries to be flooded with water, for example.
 
China would proably be compleatly fucked, since they had been loosing a conventional war allready

So China (and Russia by proximity) would make the FO world look heavily populated.... if any were left.
 
When you have nuclear warheads, you're going to point them at everybody possible.

The lack of urban environments in places like South America and Africa suggests that they're relatively untouched in comparison to North America and Europe.

China, though, would have been raped in the ass. Bumfuck farming communities or no, China is probably beneath the ocean.
 
Eastern Europe (China, Russia, India/Mongolia/Korea/Nam) is wiped clean proably.

Europe is fucked abvout as much as the US.

Mexico and south america proably was reletivly untouched execpt for places like the panama canal.
 
with the ammount of nukes that were launched, there would have been a devistating nuclear winter worldwide, meaning life on earth would be impossable for a good long while.

Think of it this way. the amount of dust blown into the atmosphere would undoubtedly block out the sun. Without sunlight plants will die and the world would get a whole lot colder. with the death of plants herbavores would die out. without plant eaters to prey on, the carnavores would be forced to prey on each other killing each other off until there was no more food.

so basicly unless other countrys in the world had vaults with the livestock and plants to support themselves apon leaving... theyre fucked
 
WarMonger said:
with the ammount of nukes that were launched, there would have been a devistating nuclear winter worldwide, meaning life on earth would be impossable for a good long while.

Think of it this way. the amount of dust blown into the atmosphere would undoubtedly block out the sun. Without sunlight plants will die and the world would get a whole lot colder. with the death of plants herbavores would die out. without plant eaters to prey on, the carnavores would be forced to prey on each other killing each other off until there was no more food.

so basicly unless other countrys in the world had vaults with the livestock and plants to support themselves apon leaving... theyre fucked
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And yet in the US people survived outside of vaults...
 
There are lots of places that probably got nuked to hell.

India and Pakistan have nukes, and a grudge against each other. The second anyone else launches a nuke, they're probably ready to turn each other into nice glowing craters.

As stated, the EU made the US civil war look like a day at the carnival. I suspect they had stuck to conventional warfare (with whoever conquered France first getting a few nukes of their own) until the first nuke went up, then Europe went glass parkinglot style too.

South Africa was, at one time, attempting to acquire nuclear weapons, before they decided it was too expensive. In the Fallout world, getting nukes might be something they turn back to, so now you have targets for nukes in Africa. Egypt also had a nuclear program at one time, and Iran is building nuclear power generators that could probably be used to make weapons. That should take care of northern Africa and the middle east.

North Korea's nukes were probably taken over by China, and if Japan had nukes, they would either be for the US or for China, depending on who had more influence at the time of the war. IMO, Japan would have eventually kicked out the Americans and joined the Chinese government.

South America doesn't need to be hit by nukes. The rapid deforestation already in progress, coupled with a nuclear winter, means that within one year after the war everyone who doesn't turn cannibal will have starved to death. Those who do turn cannibal will have to be dealing with lots of serious illnesses unless they learn how to properly cook human flesh.

Mexico was likely annexed by the US the way Canada was, so they would suffer from nuking just like the US.
 
Blackwing said:
WarMonger said:
with the ammount of nukes that were launched, there would have been a devistating nuclear winter worldwide, meaning life on earth would be impossable for a good long while.

Think of it this way. the amount of dust blown into the atmosphere would undoubtedly block out the sun. Without sunlight plants will die and the world would get a whole lot colder. with the death of plants herbavores would die out. without plant eaters to prey on, the carnavores would be forced to prey on each other killing each other off until there was no more food.

so basicly unless other countrys in the world had vaults with the livestock and plants to support themselves apon leaving... theyre fucked
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And yet in the US people survived outside of vaults...
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OK, i failed to mention well designed shelters like thee one at the ghost farm in FO2...

however, any human outside a respectable shelter would die in the first year, maybe year and a half
 
well, my curiosity is largely about Austrailia, as it is the most out of the way of any of the larger landmasses.

the US maintained a fairly livable situation after being BOMBED.


it's pretty safe to say austrailia didn't get bombed. they're not a threat to anyone on any side. they'd see some kind of nuclear winter, but i wonder if civilization there would be a little closer to pre-war than the USA or anywhere else for that matter.
 
I think according to the Fallout Bible, the Apocalypse fashioned itself after a theory that the Nuclear Winter would have lasted only a week instead of several years.

The Nuclear Weapons used were also assumed to have the same amount of power as those in the 1950s. This is much more likely to allow humanity to survive instead of today's thermonuclear warheads, which have a destructive capability that stops short of going back in time and atomizing your parents before you were born.
 
I do that much of this was covered in various FO Bible updates, however just off the top of my head I seem to recall that Australia was nuked and invaded by China, but the invasion was repulsed. I belive the middle east nations also nuked themselves in a separate conflict.
 
Chem and Bio weapons obviously played a part, as well. Going by FO1, I don't see how it could have been a massive nuclear exchange...California is a target-rich enviornment, in a massive exchange the "Glow" would be an overlapping feature across the state and not a single spot on the map.

Jay
 
Jay - assuming that the missile shield is even as little as 10% effective, it would limit the number of nukes that would penetrate. In addition, the US arsenal of nukes is, by itself, enough to destroy every square inch of land about three times over - China's stockpile, IIRC, is less than ten times that, and not all of it would be pointed at the US. Despite a world-wide war, the US would still command some allies - likely Israel, Australia, and depending on the European situation, England. All of these, plus more modern-day Chinese enemies like Russia and India, mean that the US would not be getting the full brunt of the nuclear assault.

Also remember that Fallout takes place ~85 years after the war. Some of the radiation would have faded away, leaving places habitable again. The Glow is an exception - a place where so many nuclear bombs hit that it will remain brutally radioactive for centuries.
 
BlueNinja said:
Jay - assuming that the missile shield is even as little as 10% effective, it would limit the number of nukes that would penetrate. In addition, the US arsenal of nukes is, by itself, enough to destroy every square inch of land about three times over - China's stockpile, IIRC, is less than ten times that, and not all of it would be pointed at the US. Despite a world-wide war, the US would still command some allies - likely Israel, Australia, and depending on the European situation, England. All of these, plus more modern-day Chinese enemies like Russia and India, mean that the US would not be getting the full brunt of the nuclear assault.

Also remember that Fallout takes place ~85 years after the war. Some of the radiation would have faded away, leaving places habitable again. The Glow is an exception - a place where so many nuclear bombs hit that it will remain brutally radioactive for centuries.
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I agree with what you are saying. From what I understand from the game background, ICBM's don't play a part...I thought it was all still in the 50's mindset of atomic payloads delivered from aircraft (which would mean even less target impacts). Still the east and west coasts would bear the brunt of enemy stikes.

A possible theory could be widespread use of airburst detonations, which are actually more effective than impact explosions. Lots of damage to buildings, etc, without a lot of craters. Since the impact at the Glow penetrated not just one, but two levels of a hardened military installation, it would have to have been (probably a single) "bunker buster" burrowing-type weapon. An impact weapon of that type would leave a pretty serious hot-spot.

Still, I think that FO1 didn't have enough rad hazards, particularly in the cities. Even an airburst would have some ground effect (crater), and there should be more hot spots, even after 80+ years. Stronium 90 has about a 75 year half-life, but hard gamma and other radiations (particularly in exposed metals like steel, gold, etc) lasts much longer. Nothing as serious as the Glow, but still several more places on the map that could lead to a character taking rads.

Jay
 
What is this "nuclear winter" thing you speak of? Or do you mean that boogey man theory that was disproved LONG ago. I think you could find some information about nukes and their effect in www.fas.org

Quick summary: the scientists that formulated the theory later admitted that they exaggerated the power of the nukes and their number.
 
I think lots of islanders would survive a nuclear catastrophy.
You know: all those little islands between Australia and South-America where most inhabitants still don't know what underwear is or even why someone in his right mind would ever want to wear a thing like that.

Ah, they deserve to survive, and you know it.
 
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