A Question For the NMA Community

[Gooscar]

I'll have to echo Rev. Layle.

FO3 was entertaining, but not near any kind of life/standard-altering experience. It is kinda like a guided tour/reintroduction to basic elements of the Fallout universe, only it begins to fall towards the flawed fan-project spectrum of property continuity, in the sense of expanding upon what they specifically want to present, rather than repeating elements verbatim. Kinda like a Six Flags amusement park: the amusement's there, but at the end of the day, you're ready to go home.

The plot was indeed sub-par and nowhere near as deep/developed/professional as I would have plainly expected a Fallout title to be. I do hope this installment was a market experiment to see if the Fallout property still had appeal to a wide audience. I don't so much have issues with the canon direction BethSoft, because beyond exploding cars there isn't any contradiction, and is instead an expansion, but at times a shallow expansion with little explination to certain elements.

Finally, being a writer, indeed there is a lot of writing in FO3 that makes me wanna smack the dialogue/plot creators/editors for dropping the ball on a project many would cut off their wedding tackle to be a part of. Video games are not known for having storytelling that is as brilliant and infectious as other media, but it's a medium that would benefit greatly from an injection of both professionalism and internal continuous critisim.

 

[Commiered]

Well Gooscar, you're going to get Fallout without the Fallout part in the first expansion, a 'military simulation' of a 'battle'(Beths words) that happens BEFORE the bombs fall. Don't know how that will fit into the 'expanding' on the Fallout universe idea.

You may as well have a space battle simulator and say it all is still a part of Fallout because it happened some time BEFORE the bombs fell.

 

[Rev. Layle]

I don't mind the concept of Operation Anchorage, i think it might be interesting to see a take of what happened right before the great war. Not actually Fallout, just an addition to the lore.

It probably just a combat heavy take on the F3 engine game play. That's OK, as long as it is fun. It may very well be - and then, cool! Of course, it can be absolute shit. Also, it is open to subjectivity.

 

[CrazyLegs]

Well Gooscar, you're going to get Fallout without the Fallout part in the first expansion, a 'military simulation' of a 'battle'(Beths words) that happens BEFORE the bombs fall. Don't know how that will fit into the 'expanding' on the Fallout universe idea.

You may as well have a space battle simulator and say it all is still a part of Fallout because it happened some time BEFORE the bombs fell.

Operation Anchorage is already established as a battle before Fallout 3 came out. It is more well known as The Anchorage Reclamation.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Anchorage_Reclamation

 

[Critter]

I don't mind the concept of Operation Anchorage, i think it might be interesting to see a take of what happened right before the great war. Not actually Fallout, just an addition to the lore.

Dude, might as well try and play the CoD titles and hope for an educational experience. It isn't going to happen.

It probably just a combat heavy take on the F3 engine game play. That's OK, as long as it is fun. It may very well be - and then, cool! Of course, it can be absolute shit. Also, it is open to subjectivity.

Yup, it'll be a fragfest. Nothing interesting story wise, perhaps some XP, but probably no loot because that wouldn't make sense coming out of a simulator. Of course, that probably won't stop BethSoft...

But! In all probability my lack of caring when it comes to playing FO3 again will still be going strong by the time that comes out, so I feel safe saying it won't bother me the least bit.

 

[Rad Blaggard]

I don't mind the concept of Operation Anchorage, i think it might be interesting to see a take of what happened right before the great war. Not actually Fallout, just an addition to the lore.

Dude, might as well try and play the CoD titles and hope for an educational experience. It isn't going to happen.

It probably just a combat heavy take on the F3 engine game play. That's OK, as long as it is fun. It may very well be - and then, cool! Of course, it can be absolute shit. Also, it is open to subjectivity.

Yup, it'll be a fragfest. Nothing interesting story wise, perhaps some XP, but probably no loot because that wouldn't make sense coming out of a simulator. Of course, that probably won't stop BethSoft...

But! In all probability my lack of caring when it comes to playing FO3 again will still be going strong by the time that comes out, so I feel safe saying it won't bother me the least bit.

Yep, you def have the aire of not caring, not caring in the least.

 

[Trithne]

We don't care about playing FO3 anymore. That doesn't mean we don't care about beth's continued molestation of the name.

 

[Rad Blaggard]

We don't care about playing FO3 anymore. That doesn't mean we don't care about beth's continued molestation of the name.

I don't see what can be done about this "molestation" seeing as how Beth now owns the rights. I would think the hard-core fan base has done much in damaging its credibility to be constructive, so I doubt Beth will ever seek input beyond their established resources. That ship appears to have sailed.

I put my faith in the modding community at this point. Any other option would be akin to bashing ones head against a brick wall and denying that it hurts in the least. I'm just really glad FO3 is as popular as it is, hopefully this will grow and we'll get FO4 and beyond asap. I'm also hoping for a multiplay FO experience!!

 

[UncannyGarlic]

I would think the hard-core fan base has done much in damaging its credibility to be constructive

Do tell, how and when was this done?

so I doubt Beth will ever seek input beyond their established resources. That ship appears to have sailed.

Oh? When did they reach out to the Fallout fan community for input? For that matter, when have they ever reached out to any fan community for input?

I'm also hoping for a multiplay FO experience!!

One already exists and a MMO is in the works.

 

[bhlaab]

Oh? When did they reach out to the Fallout fan community for input? For that matter, when have they ever reached out to any fan community for input?

*shoves Oblivion into players' hands*

here, finish this for me please

 

[13BEAST]

Any other option would be akin to bashing ones head against a brick wall and denying that it hurts in the least.

 

[bhlaab]

FYI Fallout is pretty much dead and Bethesda killed it and is going to keep its corpse animated for at least a decade and a half.

 

[UncannyGarlic]

*shoves Oblivion into players' hands*

here, finish this for me please

Point me to where they reached out to their fanbase for that game, preferably something on a forum but really, anything will do.

 

[Rad Blaggard]

Whats the importance of this "reaching out", it seems to imply that Beth needs to come to the fanbase hat-in-hand. All the "reaching out" needed is some Google searches really. All the animosity, personal attacks, pseudo-bullying (Beth better do this, Beth better not do that) and grandstanding... they thought it not worth the trouble.

 

[UncannyGarlic]

Whats the importance of this "reaching out", it seems to imply that Beth needs to come to the fanbase hat-in-hand. All the "reaching out" needed is some Google searches really. All the animosity, personal attacks, pseudo-bullying (Beth better do this, Beth better not do that) and grandstanding... they thought it not worth the trouble.

You implied that Bethesda used fan input in Fallout 3 with no supporting evidence. Outreach is the easiest but the product can also be examined for proof so put up or shut up.

 

[Rad Blaggard]

Whats the importance of this "reaching out", it seems to imply that Beth needs to come to the fanbase hat-in-hand. All the "reaching out" needed is some Google searches really. All the animosity, personal attacks, pseudo-bullying (Beth better do this, Beth better not do that) and grandstanding... they thought it not worth the trouble.

You implied that Bethesda used fan input in Fallout 3 with no supporting evidence. Outreach is the easiest but the product can also be examined for proof so put up or shut up.

I... I don't even know what it is you're saying. rephrase?

 

[Naissus]

Either way Bethsoft does not see its customers as people only numbers. They use statistics to find the largest user base and cater to it figuring that it will make them the most money. We are all numbers, it just so happens that we are the more demanding minority and therefore not important or cost effective as the casual and dumb gamers.

 

[Rad Blaggard]

Either way Bethsoft does not see its customers as people only numbers. They use statistics to find the largest user base and cater to it figuring that it will make them the most money. We are all numbers, it just so happens that we are the more demanding minority and therefore not important or cost effective as the casual and dumb gamers.

Yes, Beth has obligations to it's investors!

Every company worth a damn uses marketing demographics (statistics) to plot their course when developing product, anything less is called negligence. Who knows it very well could have been NEGLIGENCE that caused Interplay to go belly-up.

OMG money makes the world go around! Make it stop, make it stop! Pure evil indeed.

 

[UncannyGarlic]

I... I don't even know what it is you're saying. rephrase?

In your original statement you implied that Bethesda used input from their fans on Fallout 3 and that "the hard-core fan base has done [too] much damag[e to] its credibility to be constructive" which made you doubt Bethesda seeking input from them again. You provided no evidence for how or when the "hard-core fan base" damaged their credibility nor have you provided any proof (interview, forum posts, game features) for when or where they went looking for or implemented fan input on the game. Provide evidence for both claims.

 

[Naissus]

They do have have obligations to their investors, but they shouldn't sale their souls to them. Just look at Metal Gear Solid and how it has only gotten better with time, yet Hideo Kojima has not sold his soul nor turned out a water downed game and it is a hit.