AK-112 5mm Assault Rifle (AKA the WTF rifle)

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Eternauta

It Wandered In From the Wastes
As I'm sure most of you already know, the Avtomat Kalashnikova was developed by the Soviet Union so it has been said that the AK-112 is the "WTF rifle", because although it's obviously Soviet in origin, it uses NATO ammunition.

However, it seems that in the Fallout Universe, there was no Cold War between the US and the USSR. My theory is that after WWII, USA and USSR were in good terms already, and they exchanged weapons, so the US never developed the M14 and M16 rifles, but adopted the AK model and developed the AK-112, which doesn't exist in our world, just like the Chinese developed their Type 56.

What do you think?
 
Eternauta said:
What do you think?
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That it is not that far from reality then some might think.

AK-100 series. Quite a few of them are chambered for the common 5,56 x 45 mm NATO. Probably for export reasons then any political ones. It is simply a very common caliber and cambering a Ak for it would open new markets. Same reason could be behind the AK112 in Fallout.
 
The AK-112 could also be a USA civilian market made rifle.

There are quite a number of USA made (most parts anyway) AK type rifles in all calibers and all receiver types:

Milled Type II, Milled Type III (Milled type III modified with AK-74 folding stock and 5.45 caliber)
Stamped AKM,
Stamped Type 56 Chinese
Stamped RPK

Stamped Yugo
Milled Yugo

This is not taking into account the literally dozens of caliber and barrel variations that exist in the USA (even pistol caliber and large caliber versions have been built)

WPD
 
AK rifles for civilian marked are semi-auto only, AFAIK. It's probable that it has been just rechambered to use more common in USA ammo, just like F1&2 Sniper Rifle.
 
The description of the DKS says clearly that it was rechambered to .223, but you don't find anything like that in the description of the AK, so I guess it was 5mm by default.
 
DarthBartus said:
AK rifles for civilian marked are semi-auto only, AFAIK. It's probable that it has been just rechambered to use more common in USA ammo, just like F1&2 Sniper Rifle.
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Only since may of 1986. In an alternate timeline with no Ronald Reagan, there might not have been a new transferable MG ban in which case there would be many more MGs being built of all types.

WPD
 
DarthBartus said:
AK rifles for civilian marked are semi-auto only, AFAIK. It's probable that it has been just rechambered to use more common in USA ammo, just like F1&2 Sniper Rifle.
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It could be possible there is a simple mechinism alteration that makes it fire like the original military weapon OR it could be that the laws governing automatic weapons were changed to the point that it became easy to acquire them.

The tax to have a class 3 weapon transferred to you is only about 200.
Here is the process detailed.
 
To make an AK full auto (safely). The modifying part assumes this is after an apocalypse and people are using plans/drawings or a full auto weapon as a pattern.

As far as AKs go, the hardest part to make is the barrel (same for any gun except for shotguns)

If someone wanted to make a select fire/FA out of a semi auto AK, in no particular order, the following would have to be done

1. Drill third axis pin for auto sear.
2. Install full auto guide rail (or modify semi auto one)
3. install full auto bolt carrier (or add protrusion to semi auto one)
4. add full auto selector (or modify semi auto one)
5. Add full auto auto sear and rate reducer


To be totally UNSAFE.

Remove the disconnector. It will fire full auto.
The bolt carrier has a protrusion at the back that will prevent the AK from firing out of battery (hopefully for more than a just a few shots)

Another safe way is to install an AK lightning link (I have never seen one but there are supposedly some registered ones out there... though not as many as there are AR-15 Lightning links.

These basically make guns full auto. The links must be registered as machineguns themselves since they are drop in parts that will make any Rifle they are placed in be full auto.

WPD
 
WillisPDunlevey said:
To be totally UNSAFE.

Remove the disconnector. It will fire full auto.
The bolt carrier has a protrusion at the back that will prevent the AK from firing out of battery (hopefully for more than a just a few shots)

Another safe way is to install an AK lightning link (I have never seen one but there are supposedly some registered ones out there... though not as many as there are AR-15 Lightning links.

These basically make guns full auto. The links must be registered as machineguns themselves since they are drop in parts that will make any Rifle they are placed in be full auto.

WPD
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Or....paperclip

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That little hook in the back. That keeps the hammer from flying forward after it's been cocked again after the last shot.

It is pushed forward by a spring when the trigger is squeezed and is held back by the trigger in a forward(un-squeezed) position where the hammer is held in the hooks in the front.

Unless the ATF says you can don't do it... and I know the atf won't let you. :look:

I can neither confirm nor deny the presence of nuclear weapons on this submarine specifically designed to carry and launch nuclear weapons.
 
That little hook in the back is the disconnecter.

The FA disconnector has a little extension in the back that is held down by a FA selector lever (which has its own little special extension to interact with a FA disconnector)
 
The Avtomat Kalashnikova is a kind of assault rifle. The item in Fallout is called "assault rifle" and its description says it's an AK.

If you know about any other assault rifle kind called "AK", please let us know.
 
Eternauta said:
The Avtomat Kalashnikova is a kind of assault rifle. The item in Fallout is called "assault rifle" and its description says it's an AK.

If you know about any other assault rifle kind called "AK", please let us know.
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Did you forget the whole bit about Fallout's alternate timeline? "AK" could stand for anything, especially considering that the only AK pattern looking rifle was FO3's "Chinese assault rifle" for all you know whoever designed the AK rifle is like the alternate timeline's Eugene Stoner, and Mikhail Klashinikov died in his tank.
 
There is nothing in Fallout (any Fallout) that says "AK" does not mean Avtomat Kalashnikova. And weapons were different in each Fallout game so mentioning Fallout 3 or any other Fallout game apart from 1 or 2, has nothing to do with the AK-112, in my opinion.
 
Well, the description of the AK-112 states that it's an old military rifle that's been pulled from active use by the time of the war. The way I always interpreted it was that since Americans were pretty close with the Union (close enough for a Soviet diplomat to have a spot reserved in Vault 13) they either had an arms-exchange programme or simply traded American supplies and/or tech with the Soviet Union in exchange for Siberian materials and/or weapons shipments (you can never have enough guns or ammo, especially when China is around the corner).

I assume the same is true for the 14mm SIG-Sauer and the M72, except replace Russia with Germany and Switzerland.
 
Tagaziel said:
The way I always interpreted it was that since Americans were pretty close with the Union (close enough for a Soviet diplomat to have a spot reserved in Vault 13) they either had an arms-exchange programme or simply traded American supplies and/or tech with the Soviet Union in exchange for Siberian materials and/or weapons shipments.
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Kinda what I said in my first post? :P Yes, that is what I think. There is nothing anywhere that says that AK-112 is not a Kalashnikov, but like you said, the good diplomatic situation between USA and USSR was a fact.
 
Wasn't the AK name used as a Tribute to Wasteland? Much like the ranger statue in New Vegas?
 
There also isn't anything that says AK means "Avtomat Kalashnikova". It doesn't have the appearance of an AK pattern rifle, not in the slightest. The only other AK in the series is the AK47, and that's in Fallout Tactics. For all we know, the 112 was developed by the Americans to stick it in the face of the Russians.

IMO it looks closer to a G3 pattern or a FN FAL than any Ak pattern rifle.
 
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