Amercians, anti-communist/socialist?

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Starseeker

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I have recently watched an interview on Larry King live, and one thing stuck out at me is something the interviewee said, the reason a lot of Americans don't support the current Health care reforms is because they consider it socialist/communist..., really?

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/23009/

NEW YORK—An extraordinary scene played out in Comptroller candidate John Liu's city council district in May 2008.

A young man pushes his way into an angry crowd to rescue his lone friend. The chants of “traitor” ringing in his ears disturb him as he hears his friend being denounced as a political enemy.

“I started to pull him out—which seemed to anger some of people in the mob,” said Zenon Dolnyckyj. “They began to hit and kick and punch both of us. My friend ended up with a bloody ear and I was kicked in the back of the legs, kneed in the ribs, and punched and kicked in the back.”

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Falun Gong practitioners sought help from their local council member, John Liu, a current contender for the comptroller position in NYC.

“Instead of meeting with the victims—practitioners of Falun Gong, who are U.S. citizens—John Liu chose to meet with the villains who assaulted Falun Gong practitioners,” said Erping Zhang, spokesperson for the Falun Dafa Information Center.

Zhang noted that Liu had met with some of the people who had been arrested in the attacks.

“It's quite disturbing,” he said.
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http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/24538/

NEW YORK CITY—New York City has an election next week and, however cynical many of the city’s voters may have become about politicians, one candidate should shock them.

John Liu is the Democratic Party candidate for Comptroller, the city’s top financial officer. Voters might have doubts about Liu because of his shaky hold on the truth or his too close relations with unions, but they may not know even more serious reasons for concern.

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John Liu is the chosen candidate of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), and his election would be a very risky experiment for the people of New York City and the United States.

That the CCP has campaigned for Liu is no secret, although much of the evidence lies unseen in plain view for most New Yorkers, in the form of Chinese-language newspapers that are controlled or heavily influenced by the CCP.

For instance, the China News Service (CNS), the Party’s mouthpiece for overseas propaganda, has run 24 special reports on Liu's campaign for the city election, 13 of them after Liu's decision to run for the city comptroller.

When the CCP engages in this kind of propaganda effort, it is directed from the top. In this case, it would be directed by a Party organization called the United Front Work Department.

On March 30, 2007, on a trip to Beijing, Liu met with Xu Yousheng, vice director of the Overseas Chinese Affairs Office of the State Council, which takes its orders from the CCP Central Committee.

Xu’s office acts as an intermediary between the United Front Work Department and the CCP’s foreign embassies and consulates. The United Front is a strategic initiative that aims to expand CCP influence by infiltrating foreign countries.

Liu’s 2007 trip to Beijing was sponsored by six associations known to have close ties to the CCP. The high point of the trip for Liu was perhaps the presentation to him of “The World Is More Beautiful Because of You” award at a banquet sponsored by CCP-linked media companies. He was heralded as a rising political star.
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Btw, John Liu won his election in NY.

I don't get it.

I've lived in the US for 5 - 6 yrs, but I haven't had the chance to visit it for a while now. I thought I had a good feel of some of the sentiments of the country, but I guess I've been out of it for too long. Are Americans really anti-socialist/communist? Or is that just a misunderstanding? Are people really against Health Care Reform because it's socialist/communist?

Edit to add: a quote to emphasize a pt.
 
I'm against health care reform because it's going to fuck my shit up. Not because of it's "socialist" slant. I have a problem with selfishness, not xenophobia.

Speaking in generalities isn't very good though. Sure, some people are anti-socialism. Others aren't. The great thing about America is that both sides can complain about it without fear of being murdered. Well, by the government at least.
 
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Ok, enough spam. Two very basic things that bother me with the whole "public health care is socialism" thing in the US are:

1. Public health care reforms aren't inherently socialist (in this case they're not).

2. Socialism isn't inherently wrong.


But you can't argue that to the people who claim the above two. They lack the necessary intelligence to understand, so any logical demonstration using simple facts and statistics is moot, I'm afraid.
 
Professor Danger! said:
I'm against health care reform because it's going to fuck my shit up. Not because of it's "socialist" slant. I have a problem with selfishness, not xenophobia.
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I like how dislike of a political idea could be considered xenophobia.
 
How is the health care reform is "communist socialist"? :roll: People pay their taxes, so they the government hire policemen, firefighters and soldiers.
Next time the government take a little bit more tax, and they hire doctors and nurses too.

But I have a really bad feeling about this, not because the national health care is a bad thing, but because I don't think the government can do it right. How long they planned this? If they are talking about money shortage, then how they want to change the health care if they have no money?

All citizens and legal immigrants should get something for their taxes, but I have a bad feeling about this, now.

How about the other issue? Who pay for the illegals now? They don't have insurance, but they go to hopsital. Who paying for that, now? What is the garantee they don't spend the taxpayer's money on illegal aliens' health care, like they do now? What if they give amnesty to all the illegal aliens? All the people pay for 30,000,000 "former" illegal aliens? That is just not gonna work. Impossible.
 
funny thing is that us, not americans, always think "why the hell they think that healthcare is socialist?", but great part of americans dont give a damn if its socialist, or liberalist, whatever, they just think "geez, whatever that isnt republican and its very democrat, its not good!"

edit: I dont get this "NO ALIENS DONT PAY TAXES THEY CANT HAVE FREE DOCS IN MY COUNTRY". Thats almost cruel. In Brazil, if a illegal chinese or bolivian needs medical assistance, he'll get it, and nobody is going to say shit about it. Not because we dont care where our taxes are going. We dont mind because we know that EVERY human being deserve health and respect, and we dont really mind to share, even if the guy doesnt pay the same taxes than me.
 
Well there is a chronic misunderstanding of what socialism is in America. I put it down to the horrible state their education system is in and also the hangover of the Cold War.
 
Basically, yes.

American as a whole have both an immense lack of education about what socialism is and an irrational fear of whatever it may be.
I'd blame the flawed education system : education follow needs of market, and therefore political education has nothing to do in it. That's a closed circle. Political education should be part of every country's education program.
 
Radiated Heinz said:
edit: I dont get this "NO ALIENS DONT PAY TAXES THEY CANT HAVE FREE DOCS IN MY COUNTRY". Thats almost cruel. In Brazil, if a illegal chinese or bolivian needs medical assistance, he'll get it, and nobody is going to say shit about it. Not because we dont care where our taxes are going. We dont mind because we know that EVERY human being deserve health and respect, and we dont really mind to share, even if the guy doesnt pay the same taxes than me.
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I don't agree. The US is now if you are a citizen or a legal immigrant, you must work, pay the taxes, but don't get anything free. If you are illegal immigrant, you can get things for free, though you don't pay taxes. ILLEGAL means criminal. Why should people respect criminals?

Just think about it. People working hard, they are citizens, but their families get nothing. On the other hand a guy crosses the border with his family, he doen't pay taxes, but his family members get free health care and even they don't pay taxes and they are literally criminals, their children can go to public schools. They braking the law, and they get free health care for it. Crazy world.
 
I dont consider illegal to be criminal. You cant say a mexican who crossed the border with his family just because he could barely urvive in mexico is a criminal. He is trying to survive.

Else, its not true you dont get anyting free. You have free education. You have safety (police is paid with tax money). You really have goverment support for lots of things.
 
Doesn't this article say a lot more about Chinese immigrants bringing their hometown prejudices (Falun Gong bashing) here with them than it does about American's views on communism or health care?

I think it's shortsighted to say Americans are anti-communists, that's overvaluing communism, because it goes beyond that to a distrust of big, intrusive gov't in general, regardless of which dead, bearded ideologue behind it.

so many US experts in here ... my head explodes
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I'm so glad they're here to tell me what I think, and without being smug about it too! Because there's really very little diversity at all in this here tiny little homogeneous country what with our backwater edjumacation system.
Oh, would that they could help us, I mean, there's bodies piling up in the streets and I saw a gang of McCarthyists in jackboots burning copies of the Communist Manifesto outside the Cheesecake Factory today, our kids can't locate Upper Volta on a map, shit is going to hell in a handbasket. I wish we could live in a land of milk and honey like the rest of you. :roll:
 
so discussion on this matter not allowed for foreigners? Just americans can comment their healthcare project?

I am not trying to convince you guys from nothing, I am just exposing my opinions and discussing them with others. :roll:
 
Agree with Cim. A lot of people just think the government will screw up health care, not that it's bad in general. Most people don't care if it's socialist or not. A perfect example of government run health care is Walter Reed hospital. Absolute disgrace.


Shov
 
Radiated Heinz said:
so discussion on this matter not allowed for foreigners? Just americans can comment their healthcare project?

I am not trying to convince you guys from nothing, I am just exposing my opinions and discussing them with others. :roll:
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There's a difference between discussing healthcare and telling people how they think.

That said, the fact that a significant part of anti-Obama and anti-healthcare rhetoric focuses on 'socialism' is pretty telling, and there certainly is a lot anti-government interference sentiment in the US.

Also, people, STOP DOUBLE POSTING.
 
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