Anyone else tired of the old factions?

Discussion in 'Future Fallout Game Discussion' started by Octagon, Aug 1, 2014.

  1. H3rw00d1

    H3rw00d1 I should, but I won't

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    Jul 31, 2014
    Big Mountain made cyber-dogs, but their all hostile and I highly doubt anyone would go there to get them.
     
  2. Cave Bear

    Cave Bear First time out of the vault

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    Apr 20, 2013
    There's an NCR scientist in Fallout 2 that gives you a cyber-dog, but it kinda sucks if I recall correctly. I don't think it's as good as the one you steal from the Enclave.
     
  3. naossano

    naossano So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 19, 2006
    That Doctor at Shady Sands is Doctor Henry, the same guy you meet later in FoNV's Jacobstown.
    That guy is an Enclave desertor who used to work with doctor Schreiber, the owner of K-9, at Navarro.
    He left the Enclave with Robodog.
    (according to the bibles, he even destroy K-9 & Robodog to avoid them being studied by the NCR)

    That is not the same as saying that the NCR can make cyberdogs.
     
  4. Cave Bear

    Cave Bear First time out of the vault

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    Granted, I haven't read through all the bibles.

    I didn't realize that was the same guy in Jacobstown. Huh.
     
  5. H3rw00d1

    H3rw00d1 I should, but I won't

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    Jul 31, 2014
    Well, changing game engines will do that to you. :wink:
     
  6. BigBoss

    BigBoss Your Local Scrub

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    I'm pretty sure all the horses in the Fallout world died out during the Great War. They were one of the many species that didn't survive (or mutate).

    Though the Dev's probably just told us horses were dead so that they wouldn't have to go through all the crap of adding in new models.
     
  7. Yamu

    Yamu Le Fromage Vieux oTO Moderator Orderite Board Cop oTO

    Jul 26, 2003
    The Fallout Bible (which I should point out is technically only a companion to the canon rather than an actual determinant of it, as much as some of us may wish it were otherwise) has them down as extinct (at least in the region of California), and even suggests that the dead donkey in FO1 was possibly an oversight that shouldn't have been considered canon. The series makes a couple of incidental mentions of horses, but all of them are either non-canon or made in passing and not referring to the continued existence of the animals themselves.

    You'd think that if any survived, they'd have been incredibly useful and would have at least been referred to directly once or twice in-game, especially given Fallout 2 and New Vegas' heavy frontier western influences. Then again, little if any direct mention is ever made of functioning cars, trucks, or motorcycles, either, and we know that they exist (at least, according to the bible).
     
  8. X12

    X12 It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jun 8, 2012
    Am i the only one who wants the next game to take place in Four States Commonwealth and see the return of Caesar's Legion but this time let us see what life really is in the Legion Territories. Perhaps also a Civil War plot between the Legion and Nova Roma, the former wanting to stay true to the Legion's "rape, pillage, and burn" tactics, and the latter trying to go more into what Rome really was like. You get to decide whether to help the Legion, help Nova, or help the Resistance that wants neither. Also Caesar, Lanius, and every other major person that was at The Fort is dead, thus making a clean slate.
     
  9. Harken

    Harken Always late to the party

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    Aug 16, 2014
    I'm sure everyone here would like to see the Legion expanded upon, although a whole new game may not be suitable to the Legion. Of course, if Obisidian had another five or six months, that wouldn't be a problem, but Bethsoft wasn't generous. Speaking of which, I'm certain nobody wants the next game to have anything to do with the west.
     
  10. TheChosen1

    TheChosen1 Moving Target

    Nov 8, 2012
    You're forgetting the possibility of the Legion being completely wiped out. LR makes sure of it.
     
  11. H3rw00d1

    H3rw00d1 I should, but I won't

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    Jul 31, 2014
    It doesn't have to be wiped out just because of a possible ending in which they're all gone. The Legion can survive some of the endings with some of their higher ranking soldiers still alive and the next game can take off from there.
     
  12. Harken

    Harken Always late to the party

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    Aug 16, 2014
    Most endings do see them almost entirely destroyed. The only exception isn't even finished. I would love to see them return as a minor faction or even turn into a weird phoenix-ey thing like the Khans so they have more recurring appearances regardless of player choice. Either way, if you mean as a priority, we'll never see that again without numerous huge retcons or displeasing the vast majority of the fan base.
     
  13. naossano

    naossano So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 19, 2006
    The legion itself might not come back (or might come back) as a faction, but i find pretty likely that, if Obsidian makes another Fallout a few years later in the area, that we would meet some ex-members or people that lived in the Legion territory and were deeply shaped by the whole experience. They might even have spent their whole life in the Legion territory. That could potentially make great storytelling to have those people lose their sense of purpose, have hard time to follow another kind of society.

    I would be OK if the legion is still there in some capacity, but i would rather see some plot-line dealing with the post-legion thing. More important, i want to see Legion civilians, not endless waves of brainwashed expendable soldiers.

    PS: You can include me in the nobody's group. If Obsidian get to make another Fallout, i would be pissed off if it doesn't happen in the West. I want next chapters, i want progression, new things being the evolution of the old things or interacting with those, i don't want to restart a new story at the other end of the world (or USA)
     
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  14. H3rw00d1

    H3rw00d1 I should, but I won't

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    I personally want more Fallout games set in other places, the rest of the USA needs development too. That's part of the reason F3 was "so okay, it's average", the area was severely underdeveloped, it needs more info to make it plausible. The West has already been done in Fallout enough and it's time to go to new locations.

    I mean, what's left to do in the West anyway? New Vegas pretty much establishes that the West is pretty much "tamed" and is more or less similar to modern times (minus things like abundance of cars obviously), not much left to do for a wasteland wanderer is there?
     
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  15. naossano

    naossano So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 19, 2006
    Maybe Fallout isn't your thing anything.

    Personally, i am starving to know what will happen next in the west.
    I don't want another reboot in a remote location that have nothing to do with people, factions, races, that we care about.
    I want Fallout to be Fallout, not just be named Fallout.
     
  16. Harken

    Harken Always late to the party

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    Aug 16, 2014
    I think the best approach (In Obisdian's hands, of course) would be to focus predominantly on the established Fallout world and see what would happen next while still taking a wider look around now and then. What about Idaho? What about Arizona? What about Colorado? WHAT ABOUT NEW VEGAS KYAAAAGH!! A bit like each of your ideas, really.

    I would expect any sequels in the West to have an even bigger focus on political stress and whole civilizations duking it out, while other stuff would probably take a bit longer to reach that point, involving evil masterminds and crazies. Just less shit than when Fallout 3 did exactly that.
     
  17. H3rw00d1

    H3rw00d1 I should, but I won't

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    Wanting a Fallout game to take place somewhere else doesn't mean it's not "my kind of thing", it means I would like to see what else is happening throughout the rest of America. Fallout is about "what would happen to humanity if a nuclear apocalypse occurred in an alternate timeline? What would humanity have to do to survive? What would different people do in certain scenarios?" What Fallout was not created for was to focus on the American Southwest just rebuilding everything.

    We already know what will happen to the NCR (and the rest of California by extension), they will be stretched too thin to continue on the way they do. The NCR ending for New Vegas is pointless because it's already been stated by the developers that the NCR winning New Vegas will just be a quick run, nothing long term.

    So you just want the series to stay in the same location continuously with the only differences being technological advances? Sorry, but like I said, Fallout wasn't created to focus on a single location endlessly (it can but it will get old VERY quickly, "Oh look, it's Vault 13 for the 8th time in the series. I wonder if it's layout changed yet?"). Unless you like seeing factions repeatedly used or even worse, new ones just springing up out of nowhere (something that can be used in other locations in America, they're too far away from the Core region to have had a previous impact), I highly suggest the series explores other areas, with the additional game going back to the Core region.
     
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  18. No Man

    No Man Gore Bag > Meat Bag

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    To be fair, 'in the west' still covers a lot of area unexplored in Fallout before. At the moment we have parts of California and Nevada, but there are other places on the West Coast that will be impacted by the political and social situation of the NCR, Legion and Vegas. New areas of the post-apocalyptic America can be developed and the series can still stay close to home. And repeating the factions is the reason why this is a good idea. It'll give them more screen time, we'll see how they are developed and changed (like Shady Sands -> FO2 NCR -> FNV NCR) - this is how it doesn't get boring - they are the same factions, but they are largely different than before.
     
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  19. H3rw00d1

    H3rw00d1 I should, but I won't

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    Jul 31, 2014
    I like that, there's always northern Oregon which hasn't been explored yet. I'm not against the idea of more Fallouts taking place in the West, it's just Naossano's comment made it seem out to be that he wanted Fallout to stay in the general area of F1 & F2 which is what I dislike.
     
  20. Harken

    Harken Always late to the party

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    Aug 16, 2014
    It can work, so long as it expands around the general plot and world of them. It might have to involve some sort of ham-fisted legacy or ass-pull abandoned relics, but the established canon is very much usable. There are still an awful lot of loose ends left alone, though. I assume that we're in agreement here?