Armed Robbery at my Grocery Store

[SuAside]

if the robbers did have a plan (which doesn't seem that likely at first glance), the whole reasoning could be turned around: you're just the little stooge while the real inside man gets hit over the head hard to prevent him from being suspected.

as for knives, that's usually a bad idea unless you do an intensive training course in knife fighting... knives at short range are just a freaking nightmare. there is only one truth in knife fights: expect to be cut.

a gun with a magazine safety might be a better choice. if they try to wrestle it from you, release the mag & the gun cannot be fired (even with the round still chambered) once they take it from you (which should buy you time & prevent you from getting shot by your own gun). of course, i should say that i'd never CCW overhere, but in america the situation is vastly different.

if you do go with CCW, i'd strongly advice you to also go take a course in Krav Maga or something similar, so you are familiar with ways to disarm people and how people could try to disarm you.

PS: don't get bullied by the cops and don't let them affect your state of mind.

 

[Kahgan]

one simple rule: Cops are assholes. More often than not, they aren't cops because they are such good-guys, they are cops because they have (had) litle or no chance of acting with authority elsewhere in life, and beeing a cop gives them that authority with a badge. Some of them might have been bullied when they were kids and this is their chance to "fight back"
Deny everything, laugh at them, taunt them, be better. The lessons you have from this entire episode is: You acted correctly under the robbery, the robbers were unprofessional, the police are all a bunch of rule-riding assholes, and you are smarter than both the robbers and the police.

Now go listen to some black metal and hate society.

And don't buy a gun, its stupid. In Norway it's illeagal to carry even a small knife unless you use it in your profession (yes, that one is utter shite) Carrying a firearm is illeagal for everyone, wich results in an extremely low rate of gun murders in Norway. Even though there are nearly as many registered firearms in Norway per citizen as in USA, the clue beeing that these firearms are for hunting and/or other sane activities.
(Point beeing, all the guns that paranoid americans carry in their pockets are really the number 1 reason wich makes AMERICUH such an unsafe place that people do excactly that)

Even carrying a knife for self defense is stupid, because as the crocodile dundee clip shows, chances that someone has a bigger knife/gun/bigger gun are pretty big. It's also a false sense of security, because the person attacking you might be better trained (chances are he is, since he's a criminal, you're not), you might also not have that knife/gun with you when you are attacked, WHAT TO DO?...If you want to be able to defend yourself better, listen to SuAside.
Also listen to Wooz, a broad axe is way cooler.

End of story, you have been smart, don't turn to sillyness.

 

[SuAside]

you cant compare Noobway to the USA. their problems are somewhat more frequent and more threathening than ours. (understatement of the year)

to be honnest, after all these shootings, if i was an american, i might get a CCW permit myself.

oh, and statistically, people who CCW commit less crimes than anyone else in the USA according to FBI statistics. so CCW does not raise the likelyhood of becoming a criminal.

 

[Kahgan]

"Self defense" isn't necessarily a crime

Allthough I suspect you know alot more about that stuff than me, so you're probably right.
But still, a broad axe is way cooler than any gun.

It's still a false sense of security though.

From Noobway, the land with only a handfull of real Norsemen left...

 

[RaidSonnet]

I would have lunged at him. His mates were within distance, and you were behind that guy. You could have clobbered him with something from the shelves, knocking him out. Then grab his shotgun and use it on his mates.

Tough luck if the shotgun is fake but the pistol his mate carried was real. I would have gambled my life in the hopes of receiving that good citizenship reward, lol.

 

[Foul Ole Ron]

I have finals in a few days and my classes are either barely above a C or barely above a D and the difference in my grades could be pass or fail easily

dude see if you can score some "exceptional circumstances" points, claim stress or something.

don't know how it would work where you are but when i was doing my final year of school in Aust. our info tech teacher had a mental breakdown halfway through the year, the only thing it changed was that we got a different teacher, but all of the class got an extra 10% on their score 'cos of exceptional circumstances.

me...

 

[The Vault Dweller]

Thanks everyone for being so kind.

Also in the past week I've had trouble concentrating everyday. I'm only aware of what I'm doing like half the time and the other half my mind strays towards the incident without any effort. Before I kept thinking about whether I should have resisted or not (even though it's over) and now I'm more so thinking how terrible it would have been to be blaimed for the crime.

At least I can enjoy being a witness when and if (I sure hope it does) come to trial. Before I was sad they put us through all that and stole money from the store owners. Now I'm pissed they almost got me blamed for something I didn't do.

I'm gonna think about telling my proffessor's about what happened. I actually kinda meant to just in normal conversation, but I got worried about people having to worry about me. Hypothetical conversation;

-Classmate: "How was your weekend?"

-Me: "Oh I was the victim of an armed robbery and I had to follow one of the robbers around then they locked me in a fridge with all the rest of the employees where I work."

-Classmate: "Yeah my weekend was pretty good too."

-Me: " "

That would be kinda funny...

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller

 

[The Vault Dweller]

I'm feeling ok today. In fact it's the first day since the incident I woke up without first thinking about what happened.

I'm very glad since this whole week I've had severe problems concentrating. It seems I spend half of my time doing anything with my mind just going over everything that happened even though I have no intention of trying to remember.

It actual makes me feel good since I need to study for finals and also to make up for any time I missed this past week not, because I missed any college, but since I had trouble paying attention.

That's very troubling Milobones. Had I a gun I certainly should have shot him while that one guy had his back to me. With him turned around and not even pointing a weapon at me that would have most likely been considered murder and not self-defense.

Of course that begs the question of "What is self-defense?". I guess it's the problem I mentioned I think in my first post that the only way to know you'll be hurt is if it already happened and then it'll be too late.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller

P.S.

Sorry for the double-post.

 

[Muff]

Think the mod's will let you off with a double post under the circumstance's. good to hear your ok though dude, just do what I said earlier in this post and keep a eye out for delaid shock it can be funny going away for a while and then coming back. your last post made me a little worried about you to tell you the truth.

 

[RaidSonnet]

What's to worry? OP wasn't shot/tortured by those criminals, and didn't witness any deaths of colleagues, let alone friends. To say you're in shock is exaggerating things.

If someone witnessed somebody get run over by a train and watch their body parts fly everywhere, then he/she has reason to be in shock.

All the OP experienced was being in close proximity to people with guns.

 

[Muff]

Shock is different for different people dude, I have seen some people become nervous wrecks from being shot at and other's at the same time act as cool as anything, some have become nervous at the sound of loud bang's and jump out of there skin if you fart to loud near them.

 

[The Vault Dweller]

What's to worry? OP wasn't shot/tortured by those criminals, and didn't witness any deaths of colleagues, let alone friends. To say you're in shock is exaggerating things.

If someone witnessed somebody get run over by a train and watch their body parts fly everywhere, then he/she has reason to be in shock.

All the OP experienced was being in close proximity to people with guns.

Who's "OP"?

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller

 

[PhredBean]

Who's "OP"?

It's another 4chan thing. It means Original Poster. Damn 4chan, stop invading the rest of the internet.

 

[RaidSonnet]

What is a 4chan? The OP, short for original poster, is something I found in another forum.

 

[Stag]

A 4chan is a place of various pornographies.

TVD, you need to be more of an asshole. People seem to be pushing you all over the place.
Get some sleep, and try to forget all of this.

 

[SuAside]

Of course that begs the question of "What is self-defense?".

it depends country to country.

What's to worry? OP wasn't shot/tortured by those criminals, and didn't witness any deaths of colleagues, let alone friends. To say you're in shock is exaggerating things.
If someone witnessed somebody get run over by a train and watch their body parts fly everywhere, then he/she has reason to be in shock.
All the OP experienced was being in close proximity to people with guns.

you can be in shock over anything, smartass.

now, one might even argue that if he had been shot at, he'd be less in shock than he is now. since then, the fear became reality and you know what happened. now, you're left with uncertainty and doubt.

now go educate yourself about shock & PTSD...

Who's "OP"?

It's another 4chan thing. It means Original Poster. Damn 4chan, stop invading the rest of the internet.

i doubt 4chan has anything to do with it for once. the term already existed way before 4chan did, i think.

A 4chan is a place of various pornographies.

yes and no.

they've got plenty of other boards. i'm guessing it's pretty mch 50/50.

but either way, it's a sinkhole of the internet. annonimity + no history = ego fucktard spamfest.

ofc, it's not all bad since sometimes you find a few pearls amongst the truckloads of shit they shovel inthere. i'll admit i sometimes visit /k/ (the weapons subsection).

 

[Nova]

Shame you had to go through that..

I consider myself a very rational person, but giving the circumstances, I'd have succumbed to the excact same thoughts that you've shared.. what could've been different.. what if I did this, or had done something else.. It's a mindtrap and you got to get out quick..

Hearing that the police suspected you pisses me off.. nothing worse than being suspected of things you didn't do.. NOTHING

I wish all the best to you! Recover!

 

[RaidSonnet]

O_O

Of course that begs the question of "What is self-defense?".

it depends country to country.

What's to worry? OP wasn't shot/tortured by those criminals, and didn't witness any deaths of colleagues, let alone friends. To say you're in shock is exaggerating things.
If someone witnessed somebody get run over by a train and watch their body parts fly everywhere, then he/she has reason to be in shock.
All the OP experienced was being in close proximity to people with guns.

you can be in shock over anything, smartass.

now, one might even argue that if he had been shot at, he'd be less in shock than he is now. since then, the fear became reality and you know what happened. now, you're left with uncertainty and doubt.

now go educate yourself about shock & PTSD...

Who's "OP"?

It's another 4chan thing. It means Original Poster. Damn 4chan, stop invading the rest of the internet.

i doubt 4chan has anything to do with it for once. the term already existed way before 4chan did, i think.

A 4chan is a place of various pornographies.

yes and no.

they've got plenty of other boards. i'm guessing it's pretty mch 50/50.

but either way, it's a sinkhole of the internet. annonimity + no history = ego fucktard spamfest.

ofc, it's not all bad since sometimes you find a few pearls amongst the truckloads of shit they shovel inthere. i'll admit i sometimes visit /k/ (the weapons subsection).

PTSD as in post tramatic syndrome thingyomagiggy? I'm not saying he can't be in shock. I'm saying his shock is comparable to someone who found out he stood on a spider. It's not much of a shock having a gun pointed at you. You're talking as if shock from someone ripping your eyeballs off and shock from a gun, which may not be real, pointed at you is the same.

 

[Sander]

Re: O_O

PTSD as in post tramatic syndrome thingyomagiggy? I'm not saying he can't be in shock. I'm saying his shock is comparable to someone who found out he stood on a spider. It's not much of a shock having a gun pointed at you. You're talking as if shock from someone ripping your eyeballs off and shock from a gun, which may not be real, pointed at you is the same.

It can be. It depends entirely on the person.
In effect, having a gun pointed at you can be very frightening and can certainly induce shock. Essentially, someone is saying 'I could kill you right now.' It could remind someone very poignantly of his own mortality and the willingness of others to end his life.

Also, I don't think you actually know what shock is, otherwise you wouldn't be making these statements.