Armour types

Well, there is the out that Fallout is the future of the '50s. So, something that resembles a helmet that people in the '50s thought would exist would "fit" into the universe. But, relying on this to turn PA into Sci-fi is bad news.
 
Roshambo said:
And, due to the universe, they would not necessarily evolve in the same way. The PIP-Boy for lacking anything transistorized, the bulky plasma rifle instead of the sleeker phasers and ray guns of the 60's, the armors being very militaristic or from greaser style as the West loses its coherency again.
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There are, though, only so many ways to make something like body armor. You either catch it, stop it, or deflect it. Unless, of course, you want to use reactive armor but that could get a bit messy if anyone is standing too close to you. I do understand what you mean though, something like this helmet could have easily evolved into something better. Our trousers of time simply didn't take that leg; things could have been different.

Regarding phasers: Hate the things. Someone obviously didn't consult anyone who knew about weapons when they dreamt up the shape of those. The only somewhat respectable ones are the much, much newer phaser rifles. - Colt
 
Star Trek's Phasers always struck me as looking like common household items rather than personal weapons... I've got a solid state tire pressure gauge that looks like one, as well as a bunch of TV remote controls... While comfortable to use, they seem to defy all the conventions of aim and control. Remember pistols USED to be straight! Now they have a sharp angle to the gripping part.
 
Wasn't the leather armour meant to be sports pads re-inforced with brahmin hide anyway? That's what they look like to me.

I was kind of suprised that they never did helmets for the leather or metal armours, football helmets or motorcycle helmets would of been perfect for this.

Some how I don't see cricket pads in Fallout, but ice hockey pads would work.

Colt which era phasers are you talking about?
 
requiem_for_a_starfury said:
Wasn't the leather armour meant to be sports pads re-inforced with brahmin hide anyway? That's what they look like to me.
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It says in the manual that the leather armour was originally used for motor cycle-football :lol: ...
 
requiem_for_a_starfury said:
Colt which era phasers are you talking about?
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Err... All of them pretty much, aside from the newer rifles. They're the only ones that seem to have a sighting device and then... I remember a few scenes in one of the movies where it put out a light instead. - Colt
 
Kahgan said:
It says in the manual that the leather armour was originally used for motor cycle-football :lol: ...
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I must re-read it... someday.

Colt said:
Err... All of them pretty much, aside from the newer rifles. They're the only ones that seem to have a sighting device and then... I remember a few scenes in one of the movies where it put out a light instead. - Colt
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They don't need sighting devices they've got auto aiming functions. That said the type 3 phaser rifle had flip up sights... oh shit I'm turning into a trek nerd. :(
 
requiem_for_a_starfury said:
I was kind of suprised that they never did helmets for the leather or metal armours, football helmets or motorcycle helmets would of been perfect for this.
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I have to agree with that, and I do believe the combat armor looked a bit like a bike helmet.

Some how I don't see cricket pads in Fallout, but ice hockey pads would work.
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Ice hockey wasn't such a big thing in the 50's, the NHL was still in its infancy up until '67. Therefore I doubt we'd see much in the way of The Original Six being put into science fiction, unless the author was from one of the cities they played in.

I'd see football being the national sport still in the fiction style, with perhaps a bit of humor at Canada with their national sport, which was hockey (locations in Canada?). As far back as the 1930's, roughly 60 years after US football's creation. Flash Gordon was the all-American hero on a football team until things went to hell (or Frigia, in that case). Ever since Harvard and Yale put the game together, it has been far more recognizable and playable too all regions of the US and therefore was more often in the media/fiction.

I think the simple reason is that the NHL wasn't able to expand as fast nor as far-reaching, is due to having to rely on nature freezing the ice outside. This was only an occasional thing for many populated parts of the US, maybe lasting a month or two.

It may be cheesy, but a Canadian band of raiders using hockey equipment of that time and sharpened blades would fit. :)
 
I should of said maybe work. :) I must admit my knowledge of Ice hockey extends to 3 movies that I can't even remember the titles of.

What about baseball? I've added baseballs to FOT as throwing weapons, if some bats can survive then maybe a few balls can as well, but what about the catcher's pads and face mask, how did they evolve? They might make a good early level armour, good for protecting against blunt force but not against bullets or blades.
 
I really don't see anything adverse to the includion of baseball items, as it is considered another slice of Americana as well as already represented by the Slugger. Hell, baseballs could make throwing a bit less useless. :)
 
Someones probably already brought this up before, but I think considering the idea of being in a "desparate" environment where parts are hard to come by you'd think armor would be separated into pieces. Like metal armor wouldnt be just for the torso and metal boots, but more of having a metal helmet, (pan) torso cover, metal greaves, etc.

Basically what about having armor slot(s) for multiple pieces of armor? This would also make more sense not only for realism, but also that someone with no helmet wouldnt have any AC bonus or damage reduction if they were hit in the head. Plus the feel of the "Wasteland" would feel a lot more real if some people only had some armor or mismatched pieces like the thief who wears only torso armor to weigh him/her down less while the rest of the body has only clothes.

Please dont think Im being a sellout to hack 'n slash either...

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
 
Yes it seems right that if the game uses localised shots- eyes,groin ect, then to have armour for different parts of the body would add a dimension to the whole armour theme. I think head/torso/legs should be about the limit though and of course something like power armour would fill all these slots.

I dunno what hockey pads look like but i guess they'd do ...but there's no reason why an english gentleman living in america in the 50's wouldn't have some cricket pads knocking about somewhere. It's a game anyway and damn it i'm British i say and i want cricket pads!
... oh hell it's not important.
 
Hockey would be closer, but there's the whole nationality thing. The 50's were filled with Americana, and outside of Loxley having one as a melee weapon, I'd doubt the fiction writer would insert that element in as it would be a complete non-sequitur to the rest of the setting's feel.

I'm not discounting it entirely, it would just have limited presence. :)
 
I've suggested baseball bats before, and I think Rosh did even earlier. I think that you could start with a wooden bat, work up to an aluminum "Fongo" bat, and eventually find a super "Tech" bat made of polymers and with a sliding weight like a Super-sledge. The latter, of course, produced for things like home-run derbies and other spectacles.

Body slots I think DON'T have anything to do with hack-n-slashers, and given the fact that Fallout includes effective Called Shots, they definitely have a place! I'd really like the ability to put on a gas mask, mirrored shades, a riot helmet, etc. I don't know how to link to a post directly, but here's the text of something I wrote before on the subject:

I'd also make separate slots for the armor items like a "head" slot for gas masks, mirrored shades, riot helmets, etc. I'd also have two separate torso armor slots, so you could wear a bullet-proof vest under your leather jacket, but the bullet-proof vest's modifiers would only apply to torso shots. Anyway, so as to make it simple, a suit of power armor, and environment suit, or anything else contiguous like that, would just be dropped into the "outer" torso slot and it would automatically fill in all the slots it applied to, and dump anything else into the main inventory.
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Slots would be useful. There should be an option to push back/take off the headgear of powered armor, environment suits, etc.
 
brother bozar said:
I think head/torso/legs should be about the limit though
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What?! Fallout without groin and eye shots?! Blasphemer!

Yay for Called Shots, yay for localized armor and yay for futuristic baseball bashin' action.
 
Weren't they supposed to have armour slots in Van Buren?
Anyway I think it's agreat idea, especially since I love protending I'm a raider :twisted:
 
Sharpened hockey sticks for the win! :D


greatatlantic said:
But, relying on this to turn PA into Sci-fi is bad news.
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I beg your pardon? Isn't it Sci-fi already? Laser guns..
 
Hey, dony forget that in order for Power Armor to work, you need the whole armor (except for the helmet), as in order to carry it without limitations, you need the fusion Power Pack and the powered limbs. Otherwise it'll act as a heavy plate armor - protects, but is helluva heavy and uncomfortable.

Also, what about Rad Suits?
 
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