Yes, thanks, it is appreciated. I wasn't trying to have a go at you, far from it. Your intentions towards me were not of ill heart.
Rather, my reply was to expand (in that specific post) upon the events that lead to his death, and make comment on the murderous, thuggish pieces of shit that murdered him. It was because I strongly believe, although I do not have direct proof, that it was the same group, or at least, elements within it, who tried to off me when I was little.
Not sure if the US, or other countries bar other UK countries than england HAVE chavs/pikeys, thugs, of course certainly, you get those everywhere bar maybe the polar continents, but roving gangs of (often teenage, sometimes barely that) thugs who stick together as a pack of jackals, comitting violent robbery, rape (I personally know a victim of two rapes, one of them a gang rape, an ex gf of mine, although in the gang one, she gave a damn fine account of herself and left the first one, the one who actually committed rape, maimed for life, if he survived the massive blood loss that comes from a rape victim ramming a very long dagger to shortsword into the base of his cock and ripping it out straight down the middle, bisecting his dick. She was raped, but for small mercies, only by the one of the gang. The rest of them, had better ideas than risking taking on a girl who slices their noxious little friend's cock in half as if it were a hotdog). I'm immensely proud of her for keeping it together long enough to fight back like that, and of the greivous or possibly fatal wound she inflicted on the rapist piece of shit, I really am. That takes quite some inner fire and grit.)
Assaults are commonplace and LE filth can't be bothered to help somebody, even if their life is in direct and imminent peril, has been my experience. Even killings or attempted killings. It isn't just hobos, these bastards will take on anybody they perceive as either weaker than them, different, or both. And that, I have always taken personally, even if I don't know the victim. Few things disgust me as much as trash like that and cowardice of such magnitude. Only child-molestation, rape itself, animal cruelty and torture, assaults on the very aged folk of society and the weakest, most unable to defend themselves, as well as those who are traitors to friends and those they claim to love push my buttons that hard. Those things, and the filth. Who sometimes descend to such lows themselves, bar, afaik, rape, because that they know leaves DNA evidence and there is no way they can justify it as being to subdue a violent suspect or resisting arrest etc..
So, there is a personal element that triggers somewhat of a visceral fury, loathing and contempt for me, about trash like that, and those who either see it and stand by refusing to help; filming it on phone cameras, or pigs who refuse to do their job and protect the weak from harm by the strong, those who exploit and/or physically hurt the most vulnerable, and those who see 'different' and see that as a reason that in their outlook justifies their doing as they please to torment or/and exploit such innocents.
Its no better than a grown man whaling on a newborn baby with his fists. And such cowardice is...its just something that there are no words to adequately describe, so vile are such acts.
Maybe people might disagree that such is on topic. But as far as I can see, reading and re-reading my posts, it does indeed have direct relation to the topic of the OP. (and yes, I did feel the need to knock down the OP a peg or two, and to correct him. You saw the disrespect shown me, or can do so by looking earlier in the thread. And whilst I can take it and not be deeply personally wounded, it doesn't mean I will stand there and take it without a response either.) if THAT needs expanding on, I'll start a topic for it to avoid cluttering this one. But I will not remain silent when those with mental retardation are used as a stick to beat trash by comparison. Many friends of mine, have MR to varying extents, and several past lovers (not just sexually, but people I have been in relationships with, that have been much, much more than that. I'm not the type to exploit people, and I do NOT stand by idly whilst somebody spits in the face of a loved one. I just won't do it.
And simply posting something that somebody disagrees with, if it is nevertheless relevant to a thread, that breaks no rule, does it? because no man can know truly the mind of another as they know their own thoughts. In any case, no matter where, be it NMA, or any other forum, if debate and dissent are stifled, then the place is doomed to stagnation and devolution into a venue for bootlicking and brown-nosing. Not an accusation.
Just an observation. I've seen it happen elsewhere, and in every event such devolution occurs, the forum slowly (depending on the severity of the problem, much faster in a crisis situation such as say, the autie/aspie forum 'wrongplanet', run by one alex plank, widely known throughout the autie/aspie online community to be a humongous narcissist, and for whom the rules of the site are essentially what he says they are when he says they are ex post facto, decided on the spot and enforced against those who disagree with him, or moderators. One posts and then finds out whether they are to be punished or not, with some able to break whatever written rule they like, when they like, and others who would be punished for 'rules' that have never been written or spoken of, but made up as and when to suit the purpose of Plank and his toadies.
I'm far too new here really, aside from reading the rules as written, to have gotten a feel for..not quite sure how to put it in words, but by analogy, to tonic rather than phasic release of wrath from on high, to pinch from the language of neurophysiology and neurotransmitter release.
Maybe it'll put sand up the backside of some, but boot-licking and washing anybody's arse clean of ordure with my tongue is something I have never done and will never do. If that makes me a maverick, then I'm a maverick and feel no shame whatsoever in that. Actually, I'd be disgusted with myself if I did not stand true to myself, and told lies just to please somebody and avoid being disagreed with. (plus, there is nothing I have done in that respect that has not first been done to me. If I am treated as though I am dog muck in the tread of somebody's boots, then they can expect open season to be declared on themselves, if they do not apologize, and more importantly than an apology, to actually change their ways)
Something that might be disagreeable to some, does not make a post off topic. It means only that somebody does not like what I have to say. And if I am called a spastic who will never amount to anything, then can I, realistically, be expected to like it? or is it to be expected that I will disagree and have something to say in return?
Forum threads anywhere are by their nature, dynamic, fluidly evolving entities, whereby what starts with the first post in a thread may bring up other things of relevance with a reply to a post, that were not directly tied to the original post, but that a subsequent post made by a forum member renders directly relevant.
One thing I should make clear though, is I'm NOT here to make trouble. And I'm certainly not a troll. Not to say I won't cut loose with some wrath of my own, in cases where someone blatantly attacks me in a way deliberately calculated to be offensive and obnoxious, as with the likes of serifan's 'spastic who will never amount to anything in life'. In such an instance, the poster responsible has brought it upon themselves, and I am, people will find, a very up-front, very direct sort of person, not one to make any bones about anything. Not someone who seeks or without exceptional reason, starts trouble, but who if given it won't hesitate to stick someone's tirade of abuse back down the throat of the one to vomit something up in my face.
If I went into too much detail about the injuries inflicted on me personally by the same group I have the deepest suspicion, based on their targeting market dave mercilessly for years, are the same who attempted to murder me as well, then I apologize. I was only seeking to expand the topic at hand, in a relevant way, regarding those responsible. The chavscum problem is really bad in many parts of the UK.
I even know of a friend of mine, who's brother (who was IIRC either 13 or 14 at the time), that had one of these pikey vermin break into their house whilst they were doing nothing offensive to anyone, just kicking back and hitting bongs, when in retaliation for the kid refusing to store stolen scrap metal for one particularly unpleasant chav cocksucker, the creature in question forced it's way into the house and stabbed the kid, repeatedly, including one that drove the blade into the kid's liver, and he was later told that the knife hadn't killed him only because it missed a major hepatic artery by a centimeter or so, and the slightest movement would have caused the kid to bleed out internally, possibly before an ambulance could get to him.
That time though, the filth actually did take an interest, and pretty sure the dirtbag responsible was caught and jailed, earning the kid the enmity of his equally nasty, if not worse father (of the guy that knifed him), although no retribution came from the thug's thug relatives, afaik; since while the family who are friends, are decent people, they have...connections..of the sort that nobody in their right mind would fuck with, the sort that would order the knife 'man' and his family killed, cut up, burnt and buried in the woods, although not necessarily in that precise order.
Nice enough family, I get on with the kid's uncle, his niece especially, spent plenty good days chilling and smoking herb with them
But a family I would NOT want to get on the wrong side of. They saved my ass once, after some thug that I couldn't have taken on hand to hand, big meathead, but one that knew what he was doing in a fight, too (I.e negating the principle of 'the bigger it is, the harder it falls), was after my hide, and had a go at removing it too, even more furious with me after I'd discharged a virulent choking, carcinogenic/mutagenic and lachrymatory agent in his face, he was definitely seeking to skin me alive, but one word from the bong smoking pals of mine, and he just meekly walked away and kept his mouth shut everafter.
The reason I see this extension of the OP as directly relevant, is that the homeless, here certainly, they face such abuse very often. Before the homeless friend&H go-through of mine died, I'd heard some absolute horror stories. And some sickening degradation by those who aren't homeless, and who rather than simply walk on by, actively take it on themselves to make a sad, and often miserable life even worse for the homeless, by stopping to piss on them, to smash glass bottles on their faces or stab them as they sleep, take a group armed with baseball bats to 'sort them out', just for the 'crime' of sleeping rough. Whilst there might be a few, like 'cardboard box guy' who seemingly choose to sleep rough, they must be the vanishingly tiny minority.
And also, I should think they have no hope of legal redress either. Going from how I've been treated by the filth, probably just for the 'crime' of being different, whilst having a home, whatever hope the homeless have of getting a pig to come out, even if thugs are actively about to try and murder them, is slim to nothing.
R' to quote him. And I had a perfectly good point to make, because, as you said, he posted something most egregiously offensive which demanded a response. And there is no point in a response that will never be seen by the one responded to, is there? Anyhow, apologies if they are, given that specific context, requisite all the same. I have no plans to deliberately doublepost as a generality, that was a very specific reason. 