Bethesda has the best fan interaction *ever*
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Briosafreak
Lived Through the Heat Death
Vesuvius said:
I`ll call him Brian if he stops calling me SUPERNERD!
First rule of any, if you do not want to be held as representative of your company when you make statements like these, make sure there is no connection between your statements and the company, especially when they go against popular claims some like to try. When the statements are in detail and at length as they are in this case, it becomes a little hard to excuse HayT when he's going to use this as trolling material. Some worthless little disclaimer that only registered people can see wouldn't mean much, especially in light of what he said; he might want to also pay attention to the damage his own PR guy is causing, unless HayT believes that any press, no matter how empty the interview and full of marketing spin it is, is perfect for Bethesda to consider.
The statement that he had made clearly went over the line in many regards, and I would probably hazard a guess that many other developers who are a bit wiser are shaking their heads at this new example of someone who tried to cash in on Derek Smart's schtick but either doesn't have the cojones to back it up or the wisdom to disassociate his views from his company before it bit him in the ass. It didn't take much imagination to see how anyone from any game's following would take that.
The statement that he had made clearly went over the line in many regards, and I would probably hazard a guess that many other developers who are a bit wiser are shaking their heads at this new example of someone who tried to cash in on Derek Smart's schtick but either doesn't have the cojones to back it up or the wisdom to disassociate his views from his company before it bit him in the ass. It didn't take much imagination to see how anyone from any game's following would take that.
Bethesda's reputation for being on good terms with it's fans is no small thing. They've spent conscious effort to create this situation. We still haven't seen the wide-ranging effects of HayT's comments, which could negatively impact the company. If a low-level employee causes that much trouble, I would venture a high probability of firing.
Really depends on how seriously Bethesda guards it's reputation and the full implications of HayT's mistakes.
Still, we don't have any proof that it is Mr. Brian Chapin, wouldn't want to blame the wrong guy.
Really depends on how seriously Bethesda guards it's reputation and the full implications of HayT's mistakes.
Still, we don't have any proof that it is Mr. Brian Chapin, wouldn't want to blame the wrong guy.
Briosafreak
Lived Through the Heat Death
Read when it was posted, it was BEFORE any serious complaining happened, except for the newsbit at RPGCodex, that he interpreted as a serious attack, when it was the start of a discussion like it has been done many times. The fact he disregarded Fallout fans, several regulars at NMA, that were happy or saying it was too soon to tell and jumped on conclusions means he did have some serious prejudices. I`m sorry if he doesn`t know the routines of how the diferent communities function, and i hope he does now.
So who posts his or her doubts is a cocksucker who shouldn`t talk, but it`s fine for those that already say the game will be fine to talk, is that what you`re saying? Not very smart is it? You didn`t thought about what you`re writing very much did you? If we have the same info on the game, why can`t someone talk about it because it has doubts or remains sceptical, while if you say it will be good you therefore have the right to speak out? Why is that?
Edit: Where did that post go?
Pope_Viper said:
at the elderscrolls forums the moderator "hayt" uses the email bchapin@_removemefirst_bethsoft.com (for those not familiar, remove the "_removemefirst_" to email him, it's an antispam measure)
(as shown here)
this site says what he did on Morrowind:
site
I'm assuming there's only one B Chapin employed at Bethesda
[edit] here's his mobygames entry
metron said:
Ah, so about 95% of the posters I noticed when I visited SA yesterday will be banned by now, then. I mean, you wouldn't be lying to us, would you?
metron said:
You admit Pope's banning was arbitrary and yet you vigorously defend it. That's nice.
As for Kharn having no right to accurately quote from a public forum, that's a no-brainer. If a dev is slagging his fans (or fans-to-be) on a public forum it is, by definition, fan interaction. The notion that he can say whatever he wants and force everyone to pretend it didn't happen is even more ludicrous if you consider the fact that Hayt addressed the people he was labelling as troublemakers and nerds.
Having said that, I don't think his post was much to get worked up about (though relevant enough to post as news under the circumstances). Some people here have mentioned an apology, which is nonsense. If the people at Bethesda can give as good as they get it's not a bad sign, and if anyone takes offence at being called a nerd it's bloody well their own fault. The bans at SA is a different evolutionary leap of stupidity altogether, but from what I know Hayt had nothing to do with that, unless you count having that stupid disclaimer in the first place.
One of the reasons why people are upset is that coming at this critical point, and in light of other statements from Bethesda, Hayt's post could easily be construed as a deliberate move to write off the core fandom (the ones with acrid voices, time-honed opinions and specific knowledge) in favour of the drooling automatons like the ones that populate SA, which are so much more pleasing on the ear. Paranoid? Of course, but the default state of mind in the community isn't paranoia simply for the love of bitching; there are reasons.
As for Hayt's career, until he gives us a share of his pay it's his own to look after and not ours. Although I expect people at Bethesda would laugh their asses off at the notion that his job would be in jeopardy for stirring up the Fallout community. I foresee good relations down the road... unless, of course, we get Morrowind with guns, in which case it's heads-on-a-pike time.
Briosafreak
Lived Through the Heat Death
I`ll leave it as a warning to those that use that argument then ok?
Yep my fear exactly.
And what are you people talking about? Fired for that? Don`t be silly, although i have a hunch he`s not going to make it anymore, after someone more reasonable talked to him. I`m sure he`s smart and understood what is best for Bethesda right now.
Yep my fear exactly.
And what are you people talking about? Fired for that? Don`t be silly, although i have a hunch he`s not going to make it anymore, after someone more reasonable talked to him. I`m sure he`s smart and understood what is best for Bethesda right now.
Vesuvius said:
Works for me, not that there's no trust, but we like having the proof to go with commentary.
Thanks, guy!
A community as big as Something Awful has to have its share of idiots. However, your ridiculous generalizations and hostility don't exactly give a good impression of NMA either. One has to wonder why JE Sawyer has over 8000 posts on SA and merely 16 on a forum dedicated to a game he was designing. Something Awful has to be doing something right considering there are right now 2679 (out of 35500) members (who paid for their accounts) and 541 guests online right now.
Derlaid said:
Briosafreak
Lived Through the Heat Death
Ask Sawyer then, but remember he was flamed as hell on SA, but there he can talk about P&P RPGs and other relevant issues to him. And no not all the SA members are dumb, we have a few you know?
Although defending the SA goons that tried the DOS attacks and "goatsed" several threads at NMA isn`t the smart thing to do right now over these parts.
Although defending the SA goons that tried the DOS attacks and "goatsed" several threads at NMA isn`t the smart thing to do right now over these parts.
Pope_Viper said:
Uh... I meant after the fact. Now that you all know. You know, like after you were told. On this very forum? Not like any goons posting here GOT you banned, it was EPG's call.
You guys certainly are angry for a community based on several video games made several years ago. What's the big deal about what he said anyway?