Bethesda has the best fan interaction *ever*

[jr.]

Odin is an admin and is thus responsible for any content on the frontpage.

in otherwords, Something Awful is using leverage by way of its forum membership to bully people away from spreading around information it doesn't like.

"if you're a website administrator and -anything- about something stupid a developer who hangs around on -our- forums said, pops up on -your- website, you and everyone associated with your website gets permanately banned from our forums."

was that a request from HayT, or Something Awful's own policy to attract retarded game-industry employees?

I did not pay for my account, but it certainly would be
worth the money.

absolutely. Something Awful needs to expand its sphere of moron-sheltering controll. without you, there's no telling how many times i could hear about a game developer saying something stupid. by sweeping it under the rug, you're making my life less stressful. how can i donate, or possibly become a walking advertisement and apologist like you?

 

[NCR_Ranger]

Who is this Hayt character anyways? Does he have a name yet?

 

[Darque]

A bethesda dev who will probably be sent to "PR school" after this mess.

 

[4too]

Leaks? Call A Plumber!

Leaks? Call A Plumber!

It may not be necessary to journey to that scene of this torrid crime, since the over stressed dev has protected status in that jurisdiction.
I guess that I will not be 'allowed' admittance to a public forum because of my postings at NMA. I will have to - just - "freely associate" right here, and play my own little game of connect the dots.

Oh, and I still do believe some of the best commentary on "Van Buren"
was between ropekid and the crew at SA. That SA could attract a class act like ""JE et al"" has engendered SA a notable stature, that, surely, must be obvious.

The substance of the dev-venting means little. But do not credit me, nor any other regular to these FO sites as having a shred of agreement with the substance of the venting. For, as if right out of the Republican Party Play Book, we have been duly labeled as "haters", and "haters" are linked to terrorists because terrorists 'hate' freedom. Being -profiled- as nonhuman -soulless- and fundamentally damned to die, never to be graced by witnessing and participating in the glory,. .., the divinity of the discourse that is "SA".



My recall of the alleged offensive SA quote is vague. I was ready to move on with a "thanks for sharing". The tone and attitude fit the content. So it goes.
Maybe I'm prone to consider invectives as fireworks and intensifiers that evoke a spectrum of associated emotions as more akin to rhetorical punctuation than reasoned qualifiers, and it's all a part of the medium of the message.


...


I do remember, a "leak".


It is the 'leak" that fascinates me.

Not that - pissing in public - will ever float my boat, beyond my own personal gratification in "the pause that refreshes".


Pissing in public.
And.
It is the subtext of the intent that fascinates me.

Does the obvious motivation of a therapeutical scream, obscure a nefarious intent?

I don't 'see' a moron. I 'see' someone firing for effect...

In these modern times, whistle blowers rarely enjoy the comforts of
protected status as the stressed out dev does at SA.
Protected status tends to be accorded to jail house snitches and company spies.

I am not so snotty as to smear "a'' label, one -profile-, for I am not in that league.

I offer two labels.

The snitch.

The spy.


The snitch fingers a fall guy to cover their ass. It is the individual that is responsible for the lack of integrity. The snitch mocks justice.

The spy, the agent provocateur , incites discord and division. It is the company that illicits and rewards the lack of integrity. The spy, the agent of the company, manipulates the unwary stooge, "SA".

NO names HERE. Only the nod and a wink between KNOWING intimate enthusists of ""the freedom of association"".
No logos or banners or pop ups ... pretense of selling - OUT - in a commercial sense, only the intellectual traffic in designer warz, warz with unique labels,
only, ..., labels-z.

What proof do I have that the intent was "not" of a snitch?
What proof do I have that the intent was "not' of a spy?

Dare we wander down the primrose path of "proving' negatives?

I can not burden any "saint-ient" beings with such a hellacious, sisyphus burden.

I would sooner surrender all hope of heaven, .... , the forums of "SA",
and resign myself to an eternity in the briar patch of NMA.

So perhaps we could negotiate an ending.

The dev had a fit of BFM.

"Big F'ing Mouth" , up close and personal, instead of waxing all literary. in the third person. about some guy harassed at work.

Consider a straight up shot of STFU.

'Shut the F' UP', in the best loose lips sink ship tradition.

I'm having my own shot of STFU, neat, in a minute.

But first, I want to suggest to the admin's of NMA. Consider the possibility of granting amnesty to 'the best and the brightest' of the recently banned, .... , the condition, as long as they refrain from mouth stuffing and hawking opinions as facts.

AND.

AND quit the 'broken record' technique of pugilistic persuasion. IT might have worked on your girl/boy friend, or maybe you learned IT from your girl/boy friend. IT only works for mom's and wives, so save your cross dressing for someone you like.

State your faith, in Bethesda, FO3-"B", FPS, "HayT-Speak"whatever, once a day, or fly it proudly in your sig.

And please consider adding "Dialogue Trees" in your wish list of a sig.


Now for the STFU ...


4too

 

[Macaco]

i think that post was him volunteering to be our next chuckie cuevas.

 

[metron]

Something Awful's treatment, not necessarily of Odin but at least of other people, puts us in a bad mood towards it, tho', especially since SA always hated us. Which, well, really isn't that relevant, but a la...

It's very apropos, too, that a forum that prides itself on being on the edge don't simply tell someone who whines about being quoted after posting on a public forum to stuff it, but rather ban the quoting person outright. That sounds a lot like ass-kissing to me, but meh, 'suppose the internet is full of that.

And yes, sorry, I really do think Something Awful is pretty goddamn lame. 'course I've never been a poster there, just a bit of an occasional observer

I hate to break it to you, but anyone who got banned in that thread had it coming. It wasn't a witch hunt. Only people who said they posted here and agreed that it was A-OK to fuck with another member's job get banned.

Hayt didn't do anything wrong. However, you took his posts out of context and stated that they represented the views of Bethusda towards fans, which was highly unethical. Odin was banned because he defended that.

It's a shame that some of your users had to pay the price (literally haha), but maybe it will teach you to be a little more honest.

A bethesda dev who will probably be sent to "PR school" after this mess.

That's the whole point. He isn't in PR and those aren't company opinions. Unfortunately, that isn't as good a story for Kharn.

What's funny about this whole ordeal is that this is their own fault, had the set the forum to private instead of public then this wouldn't have happen would it?

There's nothing in their rules about banning for that reason, I didn't even receive a warning or email about it either. This only shows to prove how professional/serious these guys are, you guys are pathetic..

SAF Rules:
We have to painfully explain each and every aspect of common sense and acceptable behavior because if we miss one single point, people will claim that it was not covered in the rules and therefore they shouldn't be punished for it. If you want a summary of the rules, here it is: DON'T BE A DICKHEAD. That is all; use common sense, don't be a troll, and keep the forums clean. These are the SA Forum rules. If you don't agree with them, you can leave or refuse to register an account. If you break any of these rules, then you will be forced to leave. It's quite simple.

How professional is a news site that represents an individual's opinion on trolls at his company's site as that company's outlook on all of their fans. The fact that the forums are public had very little to do with it. It was the misrepresentation on NMA and particularly your endorsement of that misrepresentation that got you banned.

It's Hayt who fucked up, you know. He's leaking what he apparently thinks is a sensitive information, THEN tells everyone not to tell, so admins have to ban people who were deeply offended by Hayt's arrogant tone and said "fuck you" to his buddy system.

Hayt didn't want anyone banned. It wasn't sensitive information at all really if you include his disclaimer, which is conspicuously absent from the front page.

In conclusion, people HAVE lost jobs because of posts on the SA forums before. When people responsible for screwing with someone's actual livelihood can be brought to internet justice (even if it is only a ban), I wholeheartedly endorse it.

I sincerely hope that the admins of this site will look into some ethics. Deliberate misrepresentation of facts are grounds for libel, slander and defamation suits after all.

Edit: Your reasoning is exactly why you won't have devs posting here. They don't want to give their personal stance on something then have it represented as the view of their corporation. They are regular people like you and me who sometimes get tired of their shitty job dealing with asshole customers (YOU GUYS!).

 

[jaberwocki]

its his fault for posting in a public forum. He should have had the for sight to see what could happen to him before he made those post.

 

[metron]

its his fault for posting in a public forum. He should have had the for sight to see what could happen to him before he made those post.

He did. He had a disclaimer explaining that it was his personal opinion. It was posted as news about the company as a whole.

Developers should be free to voice their personal opinions on public forums. NMA should be free to report on that information. BUT, it shouldn't be represented as company policy, opinion or anything of the sort.

Holy shit, look at Shlonglor. The guy is a fundy republican, but noone quotes his personal page as Blizzard's position.

 

[KiTA]

its his fault for posting in a public forum. He should have had the for sight to see what could happen to him before he made those post.

It's his fault? I fail to see how he's at fault at all. He posted a message saying "Wow, some nutjobs are harrassing us and demanding answers that are physically impossible to give this early in the development cycle.." I fail to see how that's a PR disaster.

 

[Miles]

Funny, When I worked at Sony Online Entertainment. We where ordered NEVER to post OUR opinions on any forum ANYPLACE not even the SOE ones. Because we where not the people responsible for the PR releases to the public. I wasn't a Dev or anything special. I was just a lowly old Customer Service Rep/GameMaster for one of their MMO titles. Yet we could not post or give out "our" opinions just because SNAFU's like this happen. The guy deserves to get disciplined for posting that crap.

 

[Odin]

Maybe you should have checked? Being lazy and believing that a developer would freely post on a non-company forum that is public would want to be quoted off said forum is pretty...well...dumb. And that's why you got banned.

edit: Actually, guys I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. This thread is hilarious. Continue on!

It wasn't being lazy, it was the fact that I had to go to sleep at that time and had never read that thread in question, the next day when I went to check it was gone.. So stop assuming things and ask...

And you do know that we've quoted several developers from all over the globe, they all knew that a public forum is a public forum. Like I posted in the topic, we've even quoted JE from the SA forums.

So again, they have no reason to post me, had they contacted me and shown me that he had that in his sig. Then I would have removed the newsbit..

Stupid fuck, next time try to educate yourself before stepping up.

 

[jr.]

Only people who said they posted here and agreed that it was A-OK to fuck with another member's job get banned.

if fucking with HayT's job means posting his own public words, then maybe HayT shouldn't publicly say words that'll fuck with his job.

Hayt didn't do anything wrong. However, you took his posts out of context and stated that they represented the views of Bethusda towards fans, which was highly unethical. Odin was banned because he defended that.

he's a Bethesda employee who's going to be working with Fallout 3. that's the context.

Bethesda has a reputation for being cozy with fans, so as an employee of Bethesda, it's HayT's responsibility to uphold that reputation. unless they want to lose it. in that case, he's helping out.

there's nothing more highly unethical than repeating HayT's own public words exactly as they appeared, unless you aren't crazy.

but maybe it will teach you to be a little more honest.

maybe the way this is going over will teach you not to try and invent a complicated system of bullshit under which someone other than HayT should be blamed for HayT saying some, considering the situation, totally retarded things.

How professional is a news site that represents an individual's opinion on trolls at his company's site as that company's outlook on all of their fans.

how professional is a game developer who insults the fanbase of the liscense his company just won for alot of money, and admits to not caring if fans have a problem about what Bethesda does with Fallout, when the reputation of the company he makes up in part for is supposed to lend itself to the fucking opposite? great. it was "blame Fallout fans for Interplay's mistakes", now it's "blame Fallout fans for Bethesda's mistakes". you're instilling so much hope.

It was the misrepresentation on NMA

you're right, it was represnted exactly how it appeared, in the context it appeared. that's criminal. NMA should have done like you and bullshitted that, when you look at it like a flaming apologist trying to justify the hugely stupid actions of a service people're expected to pay money for that they shouldn't, HayT's really not at fault.

It wasn't sensitive information at all really if you include his disclaimer, which is conspicuously absent from the front page.

that disclaimer isn't there because, stay with me, the people at NMA apparantly know that HayT's brain controlls what HayT types. i guess they can also put together that HayT, being a person who makes up Bethesda, represents Bethesda in part when he expresses his views on things pertaining to fucking Bethesda. this isn't Something Awful's preening hug-circle where people apparently aren't responsible for themselves if they make an accounts-for-shit-elsewhere disclaimer.

When people responsible for screwing with someone's actual livelihood . . .

HayT in public is responsible for HayT in public.

Deliberate misrepresentation of facts are grounds for libel, slander and defamation suits after all.

if that's a threat of legal action, besides the obvious that you don't know jack shit about what constitutes as grounds for legal action, and since i kind of have this thing about throwing around baseless legal threats to intimidate people, i'd like to add that your mother's a whore and she has you regularly.

They don't want to give their personal stance on something then have it represented as the view of their corporation.

the personal stances of the persons who make up Bethesda account for the corporation's view, because the corporation is those persons.

you should know that your heap of bullshit about making Bethesda employees unresponsible for themselves and the company they form isn't automaticly failed because it isn't complex or well thought-out, but because it's a heap of bullshit.

They are regular people like you and me who sometimes get tired of their shitty job dealing with asshole customers (YOU GUYS!).

if they can't deal with the consumers of the liscense they just obtained, they should have thought of it before they got the liscense. and if they're such thin-skinned wimps that they can't show up and bear the responsibility of getting off to a dodgy start and in doing so accomplish loads to help the situation, then they have no justification in the claim that they listen to their fans, because right now fans for the most part are asking to be talked to. not isulted or marginalize or given Pete's vague threats that this'll be Morrowind: Brotherhood of Steel. let's have those threats put to rest, let's have those insults apologized for, and let's remember that this isn't the opinion of a vocal minority. let's not do exactly what Interplay did and knock the situation into a death-spiral by regarding the fans' worries with absolute silence. Bethesda isn't like that, so let's -see- them not be like that.

 

[Bradylama]

Metron still has a point, though. By posting that information and presenting it as Bethesda policy, Kharn has essentially placed HayT's career in danger.

Not that it really matters all that much, but they're still justified.

And yes, I know HayT should've just kept his goddamn mouth shut, we've said it a thousand times already.

 

[Macaco]

Well, i guess that both sides lacked a little tact here, First hayt that, even tough he was known to be a member of bethesda, basically posted his own opinions in a *very* agressive way, insulting the people who are looking forward the most to the game he's supposed to be making, and Kharn should also have been clearer in showing that those were the opinions of a single employee, and not the company.

Well, i hope all can learn something from this episode, let's hope he doesn't payback to us by fuking the game purposefully... maybe an easter egg would be nice?

 

[Odin]

I hate to break it to you, but anyone who got banned in that thread had it coming. It wasn't a witch hunt. Only people who said they posted here and agreed that it was A-OK to fuck with another member's job get banned.

And why was I banned? I never saw that disclamer, I was never contacted by anyone about this, I didn't post that news and I also tried to figure out what happened. But got the boot without so much as a word.. Is that A-OK ?

Hayt didn't do anything wrong. However, you took his posts out of context and stated that they represented the views of Bethusda towards fans, which was highly unethical. Odin was banned because he defended that.

Why the hell do you believe that HayT told guys that he was a Beth dev ? eh? And like someone said in this thread, if you work as a game developer you should know not to speak out, regardless of forum.. They actually have contracts for this, it wasn't my fault he clearly disregarded that contract and told people on a PUBLIC forum that he was a dev. That's just bragging...

It's a shame that some of your users had to pay the price (literally haha), but maybe it will teach you to be a little more honest.

Now you're just baiting and trolling..

How professional is a news site that represents an individual's opinion on trolls at his company's site as that company's outlook on all of their fans. The fact that the forums are public had very little to do with it. It was the misrepresentation on NMA and particularly your endorsement of that misrepresentation that got you banned.

All employees represent the company and the company reflects on their employees, ever heard that ? Again it's not our fault that he clearly overstepped his boundries, and again.. Had someone bothered to contact me then I would have removed the newsbit.

Edit: Your reasoning is exactly why you won't have devs posting here. They don't want to give their personal stance on something then have it represented as the view of their corporation. They are regular people like you and me who sometimes get tired of their shitty job dealing with asshole customers (YOU GUYS!).

No it's because we do not lick their asses when they post and we do have developers that post here *gasp*....Oh and shocker, we do talk to developers on other channels you know...

 

[Brother None]

I hate to break it to you, but anyone who got banned in that thread had it coming. It wasn't a witch hunt. Only people who said they posted here and agreed that it was A-OK to fuck with another member's job get banned.

Hayt didn't do anything wrong. However, you took his posts out of context and stated that they represented the views of Bethusda towards fans, which was highly unethical. Odin was banned because he defended that.

Yeah, because it says on the frontpage "Bethesda's official stance: NMA people are Nerdboys"

Hayt made a mistake, he got burned, I can't believe neither him nor you can live with it, that's just juvenile.

Also, I'm terrible sorry, but *I* didn't force Hayt to say those things, neither did *I* force Hayt to reveal he's a dev. Yet it's my fault if he gets quote as "a Bethesda dev"? Who forced him to reveal "oh yeah dudes, by the way, I'm a Bethesda dev"? If he wanted so much to stay anonymous, then why didn't he?

It's a shame that some of your users had to pay the price (literally haha), but maybe it will teach you to be a little more honest.

Hahahahaha! Screw you, buddy, you may think SA is the apex of internethood but quite frankly I don't give a shit. If you think this kind of leverage is going to get your stance anywhere here, think again. Satan will need a new fur coat before we cave into shit like that.

That's the whole point. He isn't in PR and those aren't company opinions. Unfortunately, that isn't as good a story for Kharn.

Actually a dev from a company that's supposed to be famous for fan interaction talking shit behind their backs is a good story. I'm not the only one to think so, I only posted it after the Codex picked it up.

How professional is a news site that represents an individual's opinion on trolls at his company's site as that company's outlook on all of their fans. The fact that the forums are public had very little to do with it. It was the misrepresentation on NMA and particularly your endorsement of that misrepresentation that got you banned.

How professional is it of a dev to register on a public forum and then expect to be able to shoot his mouth off without having to deal with the consequences?

Did I twist his words? No. Did I say "here's the official stance of Bethesda towards fans"? No. I quoted him as I got it, added some notes mocking the fact that he thinks he should be able to get away with burning fans of a franchise his company owns on a public forum. I didn't lie, I didn't misquote. He posted on a public forum, he got quoted. Is that so hard to dealwith? The tone of my newspost may be shocking to you, as developers are some holy entity in your mind, but we're not afraid of being honest if they fuck up.

Valuable lesson for a dev here: if you fuck up, you're going to have to pay for it sooner or later, and no amount of SA-nerds are going to change that.

Again, if he truely didn't want to be quoted, he shouldn't have revealed he's a dev.

In conclusion, people HAVE lost jobs because of posts on the SA forums before. When people responsible for screwing with someone's actual livelihood can be brought to internet justice (even if it is only a ban), I wholeheartedly endorse it.

People have lost jobs because of posts on the SA forums?

what a bunch of fucktards

Y'know the internet is famous for its anonimity. Why not just use that? Hey, surprise, you're not risking your job anymore

I sincerely hope that the admins of this site will look into some ethics. Deliberate misrepresentation of facts are grounds for libel, slander and defamation suits after all.

Hahahaha yeah, 'cause you can speak of such things in this case. Slander is not printed, by the way.

Look at the order of events. Bethesda dev talks shit on SA -> it gets sent to me, without the disclaimer -> I see it posted on the Codex and think "fuck it" -> I post it, claiming nothing untrue anywhere. He's represented as a Bethesda dev, not as Bethesda itself, and I take the individual case to joke about Bethesda's "fan interaction", which is often glorified. And that's justified, because if one dev fucks up... a la...a political party gets gloryholed too if one politician talks shit about negroes.

Your reasoning is exactly why you won't have devs posting here. They don't want to give their personal stance on something then have it represented as the view of their corporation. They are regular people like you and me who sometimes get tired of their shitty job dealing with asshole customers (YOU GUYS!).

Wow, and you speak of ethics?

How would my journalistic ethic be if rather than representing my own, honest opinion I start posting brown-nosing shit, fellating devs left and right?

Fuck them. They're just people, they shouldn't expect special treatment.

 

[Pope Viper]

Snip a bunch of BS

It's a shame that some of your users had to pay the price (literally haha), but maybe it will teach you to be a little more honest.

Ok, feel free to point out in my posts on SA where I was not honest. Can't, huh?

Seriously, banning due to association?? Great, ass sucking mods you've got over there.

 

[Roshambo]

So I should then ban everyone from SA who trolls onto this forum? Wait, no, to be "fair", I would then have to ban everyone from SA. For that matter, why stop there when we can go ahead and do the same for those from PA?

Nah, I don't really see that kind of logic working outside of twelve year-olds' clubs. Discussion is one thing, baiting and bullshit is another.

 

[Hirle]

Haha, so... the somethingawful kids got slaughtered and rightly so, it wont get more pathetic than "banning due to association". I can imagine its more important to stay friends with a bethesda developer than with some guys from some fallout fan/news site, but playing these kind of power politics on an internet message board is the fucking bottom.

 

[Pope Viper]

Who cares about being "friends"?

I'm more amazed that some of them are coming of as bunch of whiny little suck-asses.