R.Graves
Confirmed Retard
Ay I may be a console peasant but I recognize Bullshit when I see it. I see what Beth is doing/has done. Don't be a jerk @Black Angel.
Bethesda took DLC wrong way overall...
- Thread starter 0wing
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Yeah, I'm mostly a Console gamer too.
And really, it's not their fault that they are excited for this.
I consider myself to be more in the know than most Console users, most are just casual gamers who don't have the time or resources to build their own computer and play the newest releases.
It's not their fault that DLC has been dumbed down, it's the Company's that do this.
For one, they are seeing a new audience to exploit and are doing so.
I do admit, it does seem rather dumb that Bethesda of all companies would do this, especially since they've built up a rather credible reputation on Consoles over the last few years and have pretty much been praised across the board for releasing "good" DLC.
And not only that, but trying to advocate the use of mods on Console.
For a lot of gamers, this is something new, and they simply don't know any better.
And really, it's not their fault that they are excited for this.
I consider myself to be more in the know than most Console users, most are just casual gamers who don't have the time or resources to build their own computer and play the newest releases.
It's not their fault that DLC has been dumbed down, it's the Company's that do this.
For one, they are seeing a new audience to exploit and are doing so.
I do admit, it does seem rather dumb that Bethesda of all companies would do this, especially since they've built up a rather credible reputation on Consoles over the last few years and have pretty much been praised across the board for releasing "good" DLC.
And not only that, but trying to advocate the use of mods on Console.
For a lot of gamers, this is something new, and they simply don't know any better.
Brivoo
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Calling people "console peasants" or "PC cucks" is ridiculous and frankly embarrassing. I can't believe that's a source of rivalry of all things.
Yes, a lot of consoles users tend to be on the casual side of the spectrum, but that's why they bought consoles; they're not that bothered. It's just entertainment to them.
Casual games aren't blasphemy; casualization of complex games is.
Yes, a lot of consoles users tend to be on the casual side of the spectrum, but that's why they bought consoles; they're not that bothered. It's just entertainment to them.
Casual games aren't blasphemy; casualization of complex games is.
Black Angel
Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus
I apologize, didn't mean to and didn't have an intention to be. It's just what I saw so far. Discussion on other places, like Youtube, and hell some of the Bethdrones who came to this site days/months ago, by stating they prefer Bethesda's 'polished content' rather than mods.
I mean, look at both the Xbox and PS Store for Vault-Tec Workshop, 4.5/5 star and 5/5 star ratings respectively.
Okay, it's their money and their rights how and on what they are gonna spend, but if the products they are getting isn't up to today's technical standard, they SHOULD complain for better services. The console audiences have to at least wake up a bit about this, and the console corporation have to realize they should do better. But hey, that's an ideal world-view, so a nuclear war is more likely to happen than next-gen console finally catch-up to PC 'average standard', I guess.
iGrievous
Star Paladin
Oh boy did they royally fuck up the DLC for this game. I actually like Fallout 4 (as a casual FPS set in the Fallout 'verse, kind of like how Halo Wars was an RTS set in the Halo 'verse), and Bethesda's constant screw ups have killed off my interest in this game to the point where I haven't touched it in months, and only played it recently to show a friend of mine the cool bunker I built on Far Harbor. Way too much pandering to the settlement gimmick which was supposed to be optional (4 out of the 6 fucking DLCs!!!!) and not enough actual story-based content like Far Harbor. To think I waited 7 fucking years for this game to come out.
Don't even get me started on the train wreck that is PS4 mods. From what I've heard and read, PS4 users probably won't be getting mods until Skyrim: Ultimate Edition comes out in November. How awesome is that? Having to wait months for another game to come out just to get mods for a game you bought almost a year ago. Meanwhile people on Xbox are already using the feature. Fucking wonderful. At this point they might as well just scrap PS4 mods for this game all together. It's gotten to the point where nobody even cares anymore.
I have to say I'm becoming increasingly disappointed with Bethesda's handling of this series, and this is saying A LOT coming from someone who actually likes their games.
Don't even get me started on the train wreck that is PS4 mods. From what I've heard and read, PS4 users probably won't be getting mods until Skyrim: Ultimate Edition comes out in November. How awesome is that? Having to wait months for another game to come out just to get mods for a game you bought almost a year ago. Meanwhile people on Xbox are already using the feature. Fucking wonderful. At this point they might as well just scrap PS4 mods for this game all together. It's gotten to the point where nobody even cares anymore.
I have to say I'm becoming increasingly disappointed with Bethesda's handling of this series, and this is saying A LOT coming from someone who actually likes their games.
Gorefiend
First time out of the vault
Im gonna guess by the tone of your statement you are a PS4 user...Well I can say you really arent missing much with mods not being available to you.
I guilty fired up this POS yesterday after 4 months (I fucking hate FO4) and the mods available to console, outside of one pretty well done locations mod and 2 gun mods, is mostly fat asses and big titties mods. Its cool if that is what you are looking for, but it really doesnt add much.
So unless you just wanted some cosmetic shit you arent missing anything. No quests no lore none of that...but you can dress like batman and have dogmeat become a husky....yay?
Let me guess, the "pretty well done locations mod" is Beantown Interiors by Chucksteel?
On a different note I was talking to him today and we were laughing about him saying this on the TTW forum:
Chucksteel on TTW Forums said:I was told the other day that all my custom clutter in DC Interiors, (such as the magazines) BROKE IMMERSION because they were not in vanilla!
All I could say was WTF?
0wing
Все умрут, а я волномут
He can run Creation Kit? Wizard.
He is a genius! He is one of the two TTW founders and if that wasn't enough his Interiors Mods (For FO3, FNV, TTW and now FO4) offer new hand made interiors and new items in a scale bigger than some DLCs (and bigger than all of FO4 DLCs but that is not hard).
Not to mention his custom made Drunken Gnomes and he's a all-around nice guy always helping those with questions (users and other modders).
He was the one who invited me to join the TTW team pretty much 5 years ago too
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0wing
Все умрут, а я волномут
I mean, CK64 is utter laggy garbage as just a piece of software, even doing interiors is a miracle. Just, how?
Because like you said he is a genius
did I mentioned that not only the CK has those problems but it doesn't work on apple's Macs? And he still manages to use it on a Mac too 
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Radiosity
Writiosity
The real beauty for me is how the main game focuses wholly on the NCR/Legion conflict and the dam stuff, then the DLC runs outside of that and has a more personal story focused on the Courier, and they're tied together in such an amazing way (especially Christine and Ulysses and all the little hints and clues through the DLCs). Love how they kept them attached to the main game, but the story for each was self-contained while also having a character arc for your own avatar, one in which you can pretty much slot any character you make (because apart from a few details like the package in Lonesome Road, you're not railroaded like Bethesda's godawful player avatars with all their pointless backstory).
Gorefiend
First time out of the vault
Yep that is the one. It seems my comment (at 330 am here) came off as a bit snobbish when I went back and read it. Wasnt my intention. I have used chucks stuff in FONV and its really quite good. Didnt know it was his because the in game mod page is a fuckin disaster.
I havent messed around with FO4 mods too much on xbone because well, I really dislike FO4, its just makes me sad to play lol...and the mods I have messed with are mostly not to my tastes, not that one can actually search for mods on the bethesda mod page in game. The whole situation is shit. The game. the search engine, the limit on size, obviously no script extender so the only hope I have to enjoy the game, a complete overhaul, is out of the question.
It wasnt my intention to diss mod makers, even though it was pretty much what I did in a way. I will disregard childish (imo) girlfriend mods that seem to be quite prolific on consoles atm.
Oh well. Still have to beat divinity original sin.
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Operation Wignut
USSDF Riot Squad
Nailed it on the head. Console mods will never be as good as PC mods because you cannot implement script extenders. My only hope for Fallout 4 was the fact that the incredible naugrim04 would be developing a "Fallout: Dust"-type mod, which, as a fan of the original, would have rekindled my interest in FO4.
Buuuuut then CK came out and naugrim announced that consoles would most likely get a "lite" version of the mod, and much later. With this, basically any hope I had for the game disintegrated at the molecular level, even splitting atoms, which released such a massive and powerful reaction that the very notion anything akin to it would coalesce again in the history of the universe became infinitesimal to the umpteenth degree.
And by that I mean I lost my faith in the game.
Radiosity
Writiosity
1) a reason for everyone wanting to kill you, and 2) being able to kill everyone you meet with no essential tags? Yeah, I'd be up for that. First stop: Diamond City Rampage.
Operation Wignut
USSDF Riot Squad
Well, if you played the first one, then odds are Diamond City is definitely gonna be filled with almost-unkillable enemies, and probably no unique NPCs.
Also, if you're interested and haven't seen it: https://www.reddit.com/r/fodust/
Radiosity
Writiosity
Yeah, I've seen the original, not my thing. Largely because NV has a well-designed world I enjoy spending time in. Fallout 4 I just want to kill everyone because the world is so stupid.
Operation Wignut
USSDF Riot Squad
I was more directing you toward the weekly updates this guy does, on how far he is through making the mod. He is a gosh darn powerhouse, if I say so myself. Also, it's pretty clear he wants to fix most of the things Bethesda did wrong in the game.
Black Angel
Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus
He really shouldn't do that, though. I mean, if he do that for his own personal consumption, then it's okay. But if he release his 'fix Bethesda's mistake mod' to the public, people will buy the game for that mod, but Bethesda would still get all the money for doing practically nothing.
Operation Wignut
USSDF Riot Squad
I think it's really just him being sad that this came out AFTER New Vegas, and yet is mostly worse (see my sig). When he was modding New Vegas, I could tell he really loved the game, and he wanted to continue it's storyline. Dust has a massive amount of lore, it's really incredible.
So I think he just assumed 4 would also be a great game. Since it's not, he wants to make it that way. Basically, he wants to mod 4 INTO New Vegas' true successor, which is a valiant goal. Just, unfortunately, CK screwed him out of that chance.